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Magic takes his meds, updates Oprah


Scientific literature corrected on national television talk show

Oprah’s trust in NIH intact, even after being conned by James Frey, so she allows blacks to be blamed for epidemic

Errors and misleading results in the medical and scientific literature were corrected on Oprah’s HIV in America talk show two weeks ago, since it turns out HIV can be transmitted via heterosexual sex, after all.

By the end of the hour the following truths were established, contrary to anything that mainstream research papers might indicate:

HIV can be transmitted via heterosexual sex, a single time without a condom can do it. A mini-pandemic threatens the American black community. This is the fault of the black community, which under the influence of rappers has descended into sexual irresponsibility. Men who are secretly gay are especially to blame for infecting women. HIV lives in your system for a long time, and must be medicated before it turns into AIDS. Everyone must be tested as soon as possible, to catch it while you are still strong. Medications enable you to stay healthy except for unpleasantly unhealthy side effects, which are bearable, especially if you exercise like a champ, dine on fruit and veg and avoid fatty foods. If you “have HIV”, you must always use condoms, in case you catch HIV again in some other strain.

Skeptics were left floundering, unrepresented and unrecognized, even those who wondered, for example, why if star athlete Magic Johnson contracted HIV through “livin’ that life style” fifteen years ago ie through rampant heterosexual sex, there was such a shortage of celebrities who have followed in his footsteps. Two and two made ten, and such cynical disruptions were not allowed to disturb the public consensus achieved.

The responsible and respected members of the scientific and medical community who have advocated for years some of the same conclusions and recommendations as purveyed in the show, despite a severe lack of evidence and even many contradictions in the 15 million papers available on Pub Med, and ridicule from their scientific betters, must have been gratified to have received such unequivocal support from Oprah and her assembled experts, who included star athlete Magic, Judy Gerberding who leads the CDC, a comely female doctor from a health center in Chicago, a black preacher and six extremely attractive laywomen who were HIV positive.

Any such scientists who watched must have been delighted that trust in our medical and scientific institutions among the general populace is still so high, with their claims so smoothly translated into lay homilies and sermonizing aimed at the black community.

Not only two of the most celebrated and influential African Americans, that is to say, Oprah, queen of America’s most watched daytime talk show, and Magic Johnson, the big hearted giant who now runs a thriving business empire and does charity work to boot, but also six exceptionally personable and good looking women, an enthusiastic studio audience, and (judging from the message boards) virtually all (though not all) of Oprah’s ten million viewers, all have been smoothly absorbed by Dr Fauci of NIAID and his science and medicine propaganda machine. This engine of enlightenment on HIV∫AIDS matters is clearly well on its way to recruiting the entire black community without a pause, with Oprah and Magic cheering it on.

Skeptics might have said that more nonscience was peddled in the fearful name of the Virus on Thursday Oct 26 than in many of the biblical and cult texts of the world. But they had no voice in the show. With the black preacher present it was as if church and state joined forces on stage to inculcate a new religion into the blacks of America, namely, that a devil is loose in their midst, and its name in HIV. Heretics would have been outcasts, by definition.

Skeptics might have asked, What’s going on, Oprah? Weren’t you sufficiently burned by James Frey to develop a teeny bit of critical discrimination when faced with a fantasy as blatantly improbable as a Virus which discriminates on the basis of sex and race, as if blacks behaved in bed in some fundamental way differently from whites? Have you left your origins so far behind that you detect no element of racism in the tale being spun?

But skeptics were not invited. Not even Lee Evans, dashing the hopes of some paradigm critics. This was a key absence. That is to say, there was no sign of black Olympic sprinter emeritus Lee Evans, despite the reported efforts of distinguished author and biology professor Harvey Bialy, a most active skeptic whose scathing judgments on HIV∫AIDS Evans is familiar with and supports (in October 26, 2006 Lee Evans on Turning a “Positive Test” into Something Positive”, and most lately in a finely wrought Lee Evans: Back from the Sunbelt Conference Cross Country Championships and Time to Call Out Oprah post on Barnesworld, which Bialy currently edits and often writes, which accounts for the satisfyingly insulting but humorous phrases often included), to link Evans up with Oprah on the topic. Despite Evans’ renown in African American circles, where he is second only to Muhammed Ali in his longtime stature, this valiant bid to find a way to replace fantasy with fact in Oprah’s mind, or at least to politely introduce some doubt, had apparently not yet prevailed.

Well, perhaps not surprisingly. The general impression conveyed was that for whatever reason, asking Oprah to examine institutional wisdom in medicine, let alone science, is a fool’s errand, for not a whiff of skepticism marred her public service hour in the service of this dread federal dragon, into whose flaming maw she has now agreed to feed her people.

Oprah’s influence

Does it matter? Well, there is no mistaking Oprah’s reach. With an audience of ten million that follow her every lead (it is trumpeted at 20 million, and estimated at 35 or evem 50 million by some, but recently we heard Oprah saying it was ten, and the daily average is 7.5 million, according to USA Today:

“Now, instead of doing 100 shows a season and going off the air in 2006, she recommitted herself and will do 140 shows this season. The Oprah Winfrey Show is seen in 109 countries and reaches nearly 30 million viewers every week. Last season, she averaged 7.2 million viewers a show. She has been No. 1 in the daytime talk show market since she started.”)

what was said on this program is going to be central to the general public’s understanding of the Insidious, Invisible and Cunning Virus.

So although the content was intellectually trivial we think it should be noted here, because it represents the myth of heterosexual AIDS in action in all its main aspects, all of them contradicting the studies by Nancy Padian and others which demonstrate that the chances of contracting the state of being “HIV positive” from sleeping with someone of the opposite sex are effectively nil.

A parade of converts and priests

As far as the experts went, here was the lineup:

The key authority first paraded was of course Magic Johnson himself, with his tale of having been struck down out of the blue, just when he thought he “was doing everything right”, by the ‘HIV Virus’ fifteen years ago that had scared the wits out of him and his wife, not to mention his teammates who subsequently refused to play basket ball with him, and other evidence of stigma. “We had to educate everybody about the disease. They couldn’t get it by playing basketball with me or high fiving,” he says. (Is this message still relevant? We noticed that Magic was greeted by a light cheek turn by Oprah today, possibly meaningless, but it did seem rather arms length).

To a basketball star who was having a heck of a good time with the opposite sex, it was a blow. How did Magic take it? “First you say Why? You are basically you are in sort of denial about it. I thought I had did everything right. Of course I was living a fast life style I broke my engagement off twice, because I wasn’t ready. I knew it.” Temptation was constant, he admits with a sheepish belt of laughter. Oprah asks whether it is true that women waited for him at the gates with their “panties on their heads?” and “So you were “dipping and dabbling?”? “Yes,” confirms Magic. “Hotel, at the gate, after the game. Dipping, dabbling, and dating, yes. It was happening. I was living that life style…then here comes HIV/AIDs…wow!” But he is still lively with his wife Cookie, he claims. “We still doing our thing!” he beams. “Hey, still got to live. Life do go on!”

Cookie says “I just felt that people wouldn’t embrace us”. But then, Magic explained how he had labored to educate himself via Elizabeth Glaser about the situation and come to an accommodation of sorts which now allows him to live a fairly normal life with minimal medications, plenty of exercise in his gym, low fat diet with fruit and vegetables, plenty of rest and even sex with a condom with his wife – “Hey man, life goes on!”

“Right away we got educated we talked to Elizabeth Glaser and doctors and we found out it wasnt a death sentence.” Elizabeth Glaser told him “I want you to become the face of HIV/AIDS. You can really change things. You are gonna live a long time cos there are lot of great medicines coming down the pipeline.”

It’s a black problem now

On hand to get the sermon (that blacks are misbehaving themselves into HIV∫AIDS) across were other expert sources, including Judy Gerberding, MD, Director of the CDC, who in several taped cameos projected proper official concern and indignation than anyone should overlook the growing invisible threat to American blacks, now nearly half of the newly detected HIV positive AIDS patients of this country.

Her message was that “40,000 people acquire HIV every year in the United States, and a million people are living with HIV. That is absolutely unacceptable. It is an epidemic. 47% of those people are African American. For young African American women, AIDS is the leading cause of death.”

There was also the Reverend Eugene Rivers, an earnest preacher with curly hair and bold spectacle frames who was present to symbolize and act out support from the pulpit for the message that blacks must mend their ways, the whole culture is going into a tailspin with rappers preaching the degradation and abuse of power over women and the spread of HIV was the measure of this decline.

Then, medical authority in the person of young Dr Kimberley Smith, an attractive and reassuringly conventional black woman doctor from a nearby Chicago health center with ten years work in the field of HIV∫AIDS, who passed on NIAID sanctioned instructions on how to evade the Virus.

From the mouths of six babes

Best and most sensational of all, providing critical medical lore from the horse’s mouth, as it were, there were ravishing, very healthy looking beauties, black and white. Some were on medication and some off, but all had tales of woe where they had trusted and been let down by the men they thought loved them and wanted to take care of them, and all were now careful to use condoms just in case they caught the Virus again , because, they informed a surprised Oprah, it is possible to get the Virus more than once because it has different strains and it multiplies – “Oh I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that!” cried Oprah on cue – and essentially there is no end to the threat that it poses, and meanwhile here comes the preacher with dire prophecy of how the era of the “Dream” that Martin Luther King evoked is turning into a “Nightmare”, in which rappers incite a culture of violence and degradation toward black women where booty without duty is the theme.

So it went in Oprah’s fanfared public service hour on HIV/AIDS in America, as Oprah accelerated the new black HIV∫AIDS panic with her unlimited public credulity for any pronouncement from any sanctioned expert her producers could provide her with, including Magic, Judy, Eugene, Kimberley and even the vibrant HIV positive beauties, whose views were taken by Oprah as as much gospel as any pronouncement from on high at the NIH or CDC, for they were the science translated into lay experience. “Oh I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that!”

Given this level of confidence in medical authority and all it purveys, it was perhaps hardly surprising that whatever Oprah or Oprah’s producers have been told recently by rethinkers, there was not a molecule of skepticism in the air.

Magic isn’t suffering too badly, folks

Instead, as noted, Oprah unleashed the gigantic and seemingly very healthy and warmhearted Magic, paid spokesman for Abbott Laboratories on billboards across the country, and his loyal wife Cookie, he looking jovial with such flashing, superwhite teeth that Oprah burst out she couldn’t concentrate, they were so dazzling, causing all to laugh uproariously. “I love you!” says Magic, pausing briefly to catch his breath before bursting out with laughter all over again. “I can’t remember what I was saying!”

What he was saying was that he took his meds, they had made him feel terrible early on but were less oppressive now, he only had to take three pills twice a day out of the 26 available now, and though he felt their effect it wasn’t as bad as it had been 15 years ago when it was only AZT and not the cocktail, and nowadays it was the eight to ten hours a day he was working on top of his workouts that really made him feel tired.

So it appears that one of the lynchpin beliefs of the HIV∫AIDS critics, that Magic is surviving so well because he doesn’t take his pills, is disproved. Either that, or Magic is fibbing, to avoid getting in Dutch with Abbott, who presumably pay him handsomely for his promotional appearances. If he doesn’t take his meds, Cookie gets after him, the couple avers, and he was shown on camera taking them on schedule. So what is it that enables him to survive so well? By his own account, it’s determination, exercise, rest, and having a “great attitude”. As an athlete, he has a built in advantage, of course, not to mention his size. “I think the workout balances the medicine out.”

What we saw on Oprah

All of this is useful fodder for Dr Fauci and his cohorts in resisting the claims of HIV∫AIDS critics that whatever patients might think, the long term effects of ARVs are dire, and often fatal (half of all the very serious effects suffered by AIDS patients are medicinal drug effects, notably liver damage these days, the literature shows).

But here we see otherwise. First we have clips of the young Magic charging down the basketball court and bounding up to the ring, and handsomely moustachioed bending to kiss fans. Then today’s Magic shows off his fitness club business and talks of life at home with the threat of AIDS as being something which isn’t too bad. He acts untroubled by it. His business activity takes more out of him than the drugs, he says. He partly owns and helps to manage his old team, the Lakers, as well as owning real estate and his sports business.

AIDS rethinkers, whenever they have contemplated Magic’s surviving and thriving, have theorized that he has been flushing his meds down the toilet. But according to his testimony here, Magic takes his medications religiously, “three pills twice a day,” and is shown doing so. He works out and gets plenty of rest.

Yes, “it was worse in the beginning” when he announced on November 7 1991, because the lethal AZT was the sole available medication given at three or more times its current dosage, but he is feeling pretty much OK now, he says. “The medicines have gotten a lot better. The two I am on are really wonderful for me. The cocktails really changed everything.”

Now “my stomach is not so upset,” he says, “I think my workout just balances the medicines out. My long work days don’t bother me.” He works 8, 9, 10 hours a day, we are told, in his sports clubs and as a co-owner of the Lakers. “Managing HIV is a lot easier than business.”

Then there is his healthy diet. Says Cookie, “We eat a low fat diet, skinless chicken, lots of fruits and vegetables, very low sugars. Fatty food just breaks down our immune systems and keeps us weak.”

“I think I have just been blessed. I have been able to take my medicines work out, and do the right thing, and that’s why I have done so well.”

But, he warns, it doesn’t apply to everybody, since everyone has a different strain of virus. “I have the blessing of HIV∫AIDS and the curse as well. People think they can do well and be like Magic, get on medicine and be alright. But that’s not true. The virus can act differently for all of us. The strain is different and the medicine is gonna be different for all of us. Millions have died in 15 years.”

In the beginning he suffered from the meds, he says. “It was terrible. Mood swings, going to the rest room a lot, stomach upset. But now I am at point where the medicine don’t bother me, the workout don’t bother me and my long hours at work don’t bother me.”

“I have been taking my medicine, working out, doing the right thing!” he explains, saying that he has not, as rumored, been given cured or given special medicine. Dealing with HIV, he says, you have got to keep your body strong, your immune system strong.

Elizabeth Glaser asked him to become the poster boy of AIDS, then spoke to Cookie who said, “Let’s go public!” Was he scared? Of course he was, for Cookie, as well, “A lot of that going on first you say Why you? you are in denial about it.” At that time it was thought to be something that you could catch by touching people, Cookie says. “Yes we were pretty ignorant in those days!” says Oprah with self satisfaction.

But, Oprah worries, didn’t the cocktails make people feel less like protecting themselves? That gives Magic a chance to inform her and us of the real situation as he understands it, which is that HIV remains dangerous even though the meds work, and concern shouldn’t lapse for an instant: “The virus is gonna act different in all of us. The strain is different for all of us. The medicine is going to act different in all of us. Millions have died in 15 years and millions of others will die. I don’t want people to think that cos I am doing well, they will.”

In fact, Magic is now aiming to be a test pusher as well as a drug pusher, soon linking up with Abbott to kick off a new campaign on Dec 1 for AIDS Day 2006, Stand With Magic. “We’re gonna be testing people. People have gone for testing but they haven’t gone back for their results, that’s the problem. In the black community and Latino there is misinformation. A lot of crazy rumors.”

In US, there are four Magic Johnson clinics; at the one in Florida, they care for more than 10,000 people. “We provide medicine and care for people with HIV disease, and a place where they can socialize. If they can’t pay for the medicine we pay for it.”

“You’re such an amazing role model for the world!” cries Oprah, who seems to admire his business savvy more than his HIV∫AIDS rol;e. “Why did you choose that business?” she asks. “Because in America we need options and choices,” says Magic. “I was inspired by you taking your whole company to Hawaii. It blew me away. And what you did in Africa. Black leaders here, leaders in churches, have to get involved in this.”

“Coming up”, says Oprah, “what six brave women who have HIV wish they had known.”

Six great looking and positive women

After the ads, she is back with “AIDS is the number one cause of death among black women aged 28-34.” She is sitting with six robustly attractive women of reproductive age, most of them black. All of them have been told they contracted HIV from heterosexual sex, their moms presumably untested.

Sherrill is 22 and single, black, red dress. “I got it from the man I was dating. I didn’t understand my risk for getting HIV.”

Regan, 39, blonde in brown dress, says “I got it from my boyfriend. He looked and seemed like any perfectly normal guy.”

Chelsea, 24, blonde in red dress, has been a mother for three years. “I found out I was positive when I was pregnant with my son.

Precious, 35, spectacles, black in brown dress, was “infected by a man who I believe had sex with other men.”.

Margaret black, purple dress, was positive at 19 from her boyfriend in unprotected sex.

Yvette, 36, has two children and was diagnosed 3 years ago. “The doctors believe I was infected with HIV 15 years ago. I have been living with HIV and didn’t even know it.”

Margaret says “I was 19 years old and didn’t even know what HIV was.”

“How can you be 19 and not know?” says Oprah, mystified that anyone past high school can be misinformed about HIV∫AIDS, since after all she has been fully informed for years about the threat, though if pressed she would probably have to allow that her early predictions of the extent of the crisis were a little over the top (in 1987, she was claiming that by 1990, one-fifth of all heterosexuals would be dead of AIDS).

“I didn’t realize it hit people of my age,” says the woman. “I had been in a monogamous relations for five years.”

The litany of pop HIV∫AIDS think goes on and on. “My partner was addicted to sex…we were not using a condom because it meant that he loved me and cared for me and wanted to marry me… we used protection most of the time but I let my guard down… it only takes one person one time.”

At this point Oprah gets excited. She seems challenged by the idea of having to ask a man to put on a condom. “Doesn’t it suggest you don’t trust him?” she asks. Oh yes, they agree, that is indeed the difficulty.

The shock of being told they are HIV positive comes out. “I came forward because the epidemic is exploding all around us and people don’t know it…I hated going to weddings I hated going to baby showers… It was hard for me. I didnt think I was going to get married…I had 27 T cells with my AIDS diagnosis. My immune system was so suppressed I am lucky to be sitting here now…I was angry yes. With him and with myself. I was looking for love….I was ashamed and guilty and angry, more so at myself. I knew how HIV was tranmitted but I still put myself at risk…I feel so tired but I dont want to call out of work and have people feel sorry for me.”

Not all on medication

Not every one of these vibrant beauties is on medication, it turns out, after all. “I’ve been off for five years,” reveals one of them. Oprah is astounded. “You can come off?!” she cries. Another says “I was never on medication. My numbers were always strong enough. They say they are not going to put me on till they go down.”

On the other hand, another woman estimates she has taken 48,000 pills so far. “I used to take 23 pills a day. Now I am way down. Now I take 7 pills a day.”

Lest anyone lose their fear of HIV, however, like Magic, they emphasize it remains deadly even though “people think that HIV has become manageable.” It is not clear how these two ideas are reconciled. The expectation, presumably, is that it will rise up and get you sooner or later, somehow, even though the drugs keep it down. (Ours not to reason why, it is in the good hands of the officials and scientists of the NIH, who no doubt will tell us when they have worked out how the Virus does anything at all, which is still a work in progress.)

Stigma? “Oh yes. Now it’s worse than in the early days. They think you are promiscuous. Stigma is the worst part. I have suffered so badly. I was in the hospital waiting room and the nurse came in and said in front of my friends ‘I am not going to take this woman’s blood….My mom cursed me out…It’s hard to date. You end up with guys who are not necessarily the guys you would date if you werent HIV positive.”

More than the rest of the program, there is a dream like atmosphere to all this, for all of these women look extremely healthy and attractive, even allowing for studio cosmetics.

But they try and think positive. “Rejection is direction” says a black woman – “Rejection is direction” repeats Oprah. “I got it! I got it.” – “When I told guys their reaction was ‘let me out of here!’ Where is the exit?”..”I tell them on the first date. I try to do it within the first week.”

Anyway, some men also think positive too, it appears, and are even interested in sex without a condom. “You can still find men who want to date, yes. Some don’t want to use condoms. They honestly tell you why – because it’s harder for a woman to give it to a man.”

Would you do it? asks Oprah, meaning would they sleep with a man without a condom. “No. Their life cannot be on my conscience.” There is another reason, too – they might be infected all over again with a different strain of the invisible microbe. “We must also protect ourselves. You can definitely reinfect yourself with HIV!!… The virus can multiply into different forms.”

“You can reinfect yourself?!” Oprah is shocked. “I have learned something here. I didn’t know that,” she squeaks. “I didn’t know that!”

An ad: There is a break for the newly ubiquitous “tell someone, tell everyone” ad alerting the female population to the news of the human papilloma virus causing cervical cancer. “Cancer caused by a virus!!!” The women in the ad are bowled over the news. They set a very good example, not doubting anything they are told for a minute, precisely like Oprah. “I didn’t know that!! I want to tell my sister. I want to tell everyone.”

Back to Oprah, and the new big push for universal testing. Oprah on the six women: “Here’s their message for everyone watching. People need to get tested, take responsibility. Women need to protect themselves. Buy condoms and insist men use them!”

She praises them. “I am impressed that you have come to the place you have come to”, she says. “Use it and or let it use you!”

Finally a little adjustment to the happy picture. Side effects are mentioned. They are a burden. People don’t know this. “They see beautiful girls sitting here but they don’t see we experience heavy side effects.” But “Yes, they are manageable.”

The dire message remains the same, however. “It does not discriminate! If you have unprotected sex one time, it could be you!” Each girl takes the screen one by one to say “I have HIV! You could be me!” their voices dolorous and ominous with an echo chamber effect.

Kimberley blames women’s lack of power

Finally, we refer to an expert, in the form of the charmingly respectable Dr Kimberley Smith, an infectious disease specialist from Rush Medical Center in Chicago, suitably young and black. She’s been on the front lines of HIV∫AIDS for ten years. Kimberly, like Judy, says that it is a power issue with women. “Women are often in a vulnerable position. They don’t have the ability to withhold sex or demand condom use.”

The reason for the spread of the virus among blacks today, Kimberley believes, is the “lack of perception of risk, and the lack of power held by women in relationships. They are poor and dependent on the man emotionally and financially. They don’t have ability to withhold sex. And the third reason is substance abuse.”

Judy also sounds this theme. “The face of AIDS has changed from being primarily white men to all colors and both sexes… and a lot of women haven’t the power to protect themselves.”

(At this point, Truthseeker found himself reflecting on vulnerability, and the lack of power uneducated black women have in their relationship with experts, who can tell them anything they like and have it accepted without a second thought. Even Oprah seems to share this total respect for medical and scientific expertise, accepting it instantly and without question second hand from her six new friends with HIV, when one tells her that you can catch HIV more than once. “I didn’t know that!” she cries, “I didn’t know that.”)

Gay blacks blamed for HIV spread

Among blacks, a large part of the blame is laid on black men who are secretly gay and sleep with black women without admitting it. “They’re in denial going back to the same way. So many are in prison and living a double life on the down low. A lot feel they can’t go to their families.”

Blaming the down low

Along these lines we are shown Peter Jennings looking pale and drawn, just before he dies of lung cancer, sitting with a group of black men investigating the contribution of gays in all this – the idea that the spread of HIV among black women stems from the obliquy that gay black men meet in their society prompts them to go “down low” ie sleep with black women without telling them their HIV status.

Jennings is shocked by the admission that some men would sit back and rather watch people die than admit they had HIV. In their denial and shame they refuse to take medication and one tells of his wife “who passed away last year” presumably of HIV. “A lot of black women have been infected unknowingly.”

One man says that they often don’t want to hear about a man sleeping with other men, for fear of harming the relationship they have. “I asked women what they would say if a man came to them and told them, I sleep with other men, and a lot of them said they didn’t want to know.”

Finally we get the moral critique of Reverend Eugene Rivers, a priest who says that “Black men are committing murder when they have unprotected sex. It’s a crime, an act of violence that can result in the death of that woman.” Oprah wants to know why he thinks AIDS haa increased so much in the black community.

“There is a culture of promiscuity!” he declaims. “King had a dream and now we have a nightmare. The rappers are all singing we must celebrate booty popping and booty liciousness. If it was a different color, there would be a national summit in the White House and a five year plan to mobilize the nation. We are producing a generation of black women who are a biological underclass. ”

“Wow! says Oprah. “There’s a negro anthem, Lift up your voices and sing!”

The Reverend says “It is now acceptable to disrespect black woman and have unprotected sex functioning as an instrument of mass destruction!”

(Here we reflect that the good pastor seems to be demonstrating the danger of having religion as the only way to frame an issue, rather than science. For religion’s way of framing the problem only teaches patterns of thought which are essentially useless in this propaganda war in HIV∫AIDS, merely leaving people wide open to accepting and magnifying the message they are given, instead of examining it for sense.)

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Note to Oprah: How can you be a leading figure in US society, Oprah, with a national talk show research staff, and yet in two decades have picked up no inkling that this might be all questioned, indeed, is questioned and even rejected by well credentialed critics who could quickly show you the simple inconsistencies that condemn it, admitted contradictions that the scientific literature contains, kept quiet from the public ear?

Not to mention that on the face of it, with all six women telling the same story of not being aware there was anything wrong with their health until told they had the apparently supernatural virus, and all your own early sensational predictions of societal collapse lying in the dust unrealized, to swallow it all whole suggests a lack of smarts that you of all people do not otherwise exhibit.

What is going on here, Oprah?

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A little Africa here in America

Finally, the wrap up, whose keynote is that the invisible virus can only be foiled through routine universal testing. “A quarter of a million people in this country have HIV and don’t know it. That’s why the CDC now has recommended routine testing. But it is not mandatory.”

Oprah asks Kimberley, the Chicago expert, “Why routine testing?”

“A lot of people don’t know that HIV is critical. It can live in your body for many many years without doing anything. By time people know they are very very weak. But not if you get diagnosed early,” Kimberley explains. Evidently she is primed to medicate even those who do not have any symptoms.

Oprah tells the six women “I love the fact that you seem fully evolved with it and have accepted it.”

How should you treat people with HIV? she asks Magic’s faithful partner. “Be there for your spouse,” says Cookie Johnson, “support them, love them and stay on top of them. Make sure they take their medication, work out and eat their vegetables.”

This is the first hint that Magic may not be taking his medications as willingly and faithfully as he claims, though it seems that Cookie tries to make sure he does.

“Is there a reason she says that?” asks Oprah.

“Yes,” says Magic. “I am stubborn sometimes.”

Magic bursts out with praise for Oprah for featuring the topic on her show: “Let me just say thank you. We have been trying in a grass roots level to tell people and make a difference and this show today has done that I think.

“We have a little Africa in America right now!”

He doesn’t know how right he is.

Update Sat Nov 18 11.29 pm:

Very good comments on Oprah’s board before the show, selected from a total of sixty, which had nil effect on the propaganda purveyed:

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Prior to the show airing, there were almost sixty comments posted to the show’s message board on Oprah’s website. More than two-thirds of them were legitimate questions from people who were hoping to get legitimate answers from Mr. Johnson. Here is a sample of those questions:

Dear Mr. Johnson,

We’re constantly told that HIV is sexually transmitted. But Nancy Padian, in the largest and longest study of its kind, followed 175 discordant couples (one partner HIV positive, the other HIV negative) for anywhere from 4 to 6 years. At the end of the study, not one – NOT ONE – of the HIV negative partners became HIV positive, even though almost a third of them were not using condoms consistently and 39% were engaging in anal sex. If HIV was sexually transmitted, why didn’t any of the HIV negative partners get HIV?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

In every other infectious disease, for something to be said to be the cause of that disease, you have to find the thing you think is causing the disease in every case of that disease. It makes perfect sense that in every case of tuberculosis, you have to find the tuberculosis bacterium, or the person can’t have tuberculosis. Same thing with small pox, or measles. But there are literally thousands of cases of AIDS in people who test HIV negative. So how can HIV cause AIDS?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

One of the tests to determine whether a virus is the cause of a disease is to intentionally inject that virus into chimpanzees and see if they get sick, or at a minimum, develop the antibodies to the virus. But over the past 20 years, 150 chimpanzees have been injected with HIV, and not one – NOT ONE – has gotten AIDS. If you inject these same chimpanzees with the tubercle bacillus, they will get tuberculosis, or develop the antibodies to TB. The same thing is true of the small pox virus, or any other virus. So how can we call HIV the cause of AIDS when it doesn’t cause AIDS in chimpanzees?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

In the United States, you are diagnosed with AIDS if you are HIV-positive, and either have one of the 30 different diseases on the AIDS list, or have a T-cell count below 200. In Canada, they don’t recognize a low T-cell count as a definition of AIDS. So you can have AIDS in the US if you’re HIV-positive and a T-cell count of 150, but you can move across the border into Canada and like magic, you no longer have AIDS.

And in Africa, you don’t even have to be HIV-positive to be diagnosed with AIDS. All you have to have is chronic diarrhea, cough, fever, and have lost more than 10% of your body weight – all symptoms of malnutrition and poverty.

How can the same disease – AIDS – be so different in different places? No other disease is like that, that I know of.

Dear Mr. Johnson,

A scientific study found that 50% of all dogs who are given an HIV test are HIV positive. And yet the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says that HIV can only be found in humans. So what exactly is the HIV test testing for?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

I’ve heard for years that HIV causes AIDS. But I have looked and looked, and I cannot find a single scientific paper that proves that. Dr. Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize in 1993, says he can’t find it either.

Can you tell us where to look for the proof that HIV causes AIDS?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

Did you know that the City of New York is talking about opening up an “HIV Jail” in Bellevue Hospital, like the “TB Jail” that has been operating there for more than 10 years?

If you don’t remember, thanks to a major infusion of federal financing in the mid-90’s, New York health officials took an active approach to tuberculosis, getting as many patients as possible on directly observed therapy, known as D.O.T., in which outreach workers administered tuberculosis medications in clinics, patients’ homes and on the street. For patients who “failed” D.O.T., the health department employed forcible detention, either at Bellevue Hospital or at Goldwater Hospital, where they were “detained” for as long as two years. They called it the “TB Jail.”

The New York City Health Department is now proposing the same thing for people who test Positive for HIV but “fail” or refuse to take the prescribed HIV medications, even though there is ample evidence that the medications themselves make people sick. They want to create an “HIV Jail” in Bellevue and lock you away if you don’t comply. This would include HIV-Positives who had AIDS, but also HIV-Positives who are perfectly healthy, with no symptoms of AIDS or any other disease, who simply didn’t want to take the dangerous HIV drugs.

Is this the right thing to be doing in America, the land of the free?

Dear Mr. Johnson,

Did you know that the City of New York is taking young HIV-positive children away from their parentswho can’t or won’t give them HIV medications, and locking them up in experimental drug testing centers, and then force-feeding them the HIV drugs? And if the children don’t comply, they surgically implant a “peg tube” in their stomachs and give them the drugs that way. Of course, the vast majority of these children are black and Hispanic.

Dear Oprah,

I have ten questions for Magic Johnson, because if I read the actual scientific studies concerning HIV and AIDS rather than listening to the mass media hype, I discover that:

1. The HIV test is not a test for AIDS, or even a test for HIV. It is a test to find certain antibodies — an “HIV-antibody” test. But in virtually every other antibody test, to be positive for the antibodies means that you had exposure to or a prior virus infection and are now immune from the disease that virus could cause. Antibody protection is the basis for the practice of vaccinations, like gaining immunity against the flu with a flu shot. Question: Why we should think any differently about antibodies to HIV? A growing number of experts now believe that testing HIV-antibody-positive actually means that you have successfully created what your body needs to defeat any HIV infection.

2. The HIV test is very often wrong. There are over fifty different scientific studies listing seventy non-HIV conditions that can make the test produce false positive results. Depending on which test someone takes, the results can actually be wrong as much as 90% of the time. Question: How do we know what anyone is testing “Positive” for?

3. The HIV test has never been “validated.” That means that there has never been a group of people who tested HIV-positive who were then proven to have active HIV in their blood. Conversely, there has also never been a group who tested HIV-negative and were proven not to have active HIV in their blood. Question: Why should we believe a test that has never been validated?

4. The proteins used in the HIV test kits have never been proven to be unique or specific for HIV. In fact, every one of the proteins used in the test has been found to be associated with conditions that have nothing to do with HIV — and many of these proteins have nothing to do with illness of any kind. Question: Why do we believe a test that has not been proven to be a specific test for HIV?

5. No HIV test, whether it uses blood, urine or saliva, has ever been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the specific intended purpose of diagnosing infection with HIV. In fact, there is a printed insert that comes in every HIV test kit which contains a disclaimer that the test cannot diagnose actual infection with HIV. Question: Why don’t the doctors show us this test disclaimer?

6. Nineteen samples of the same blood were sent to nineteen different laboratories, and they all came back with different HIV test results. Question: How can a test that can mean life or death produce different results if done in a different laboratory?

7. There is no established standard for determining the results of an HIV test. In fact, there are at least ten different ways to interpret a test, and each one of those can give a different result. It often depends on where someone lives in the world, whose standards are used to interpret the test, and what information is given about a person’s life and health history. Question: How can some people go from being HIV-positive to being HIV-negative just by moving to a different location, or by changing laboratories or testing sites, or giving different information about their potential “risk factors?”

8. Many people believe that HIV viral load tests do what antibody tests cannot, by detecting the actual virus. But according to the disclaimer statements on viral load tests, they are “not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or to confirm HIV infection.” This is because the viral load tests have some of the same problems as the HIV blood tests: they have never been validated, the “probes” and “primers” they use have never been proven to be unique or specific to HIV, they are not standardized from laboratory to laboratory, they produce a high rate of false positives, and more. Question: How can people who are HIV-negative have high HIV viral load results?

9. Even if the HIV tests were validated, approved for diagnosing actual HIV infection, and had a universal standard of interpretation, there is still no conclusive medical evidence that proves that testing positive is an indication that anyone is or will become sick. There is still no scientific study that proves that HIV causes AIDS or shows that it destroys the immune system. Question: Why does HIV fails every traditional medical and scientific test to be called the cause of AIDS?

10. Recent scientific studies show that twice as many people are dying from the side effects of the anti-retroviral drugs (HAART) than from illnesses associated with AIDS, and that the drugs being given today are even worse than the ones offered ten years ago. Question: Why should anyone take anti-retroviral drugs that have been proven to cause more problems and deaths than AIDS?

But when the show aired, not one of these questions was asked or referred to. Nor did Oprah mention her message board.

Comments after the show are at NBA Legend Magic Johnson and The New Faces of AIDS in America (thanks YG). 336 Comments so far:

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NBA Legend Magic Johnson and The New Faces of AIDS in America

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Didn’t even remember

Posted by: tiggizchew – Pull Down Your pants and slide on the Ice

Posted on: 10/21/2006 at 6:16am (1 of 330)

That Magic had AIDS.

ITs important, and maybe its because I was 12 at the time, but …

I hope with his statue he’s done wonders for the cause

A lesson to learn

Posted by: bonjo36

Posted on: 10/23/2006 at 1:28pm (2 of 330)

I admire Magic Johnson for his humility, his way of handling the desease and how his family face such trials in their life. All I can say more power to him.

Magic Johnson on AIDS in America

Posted by: rubyabell

Posted on: 10/23/2006 at 8:38pm (3 of 330)

As a middle-class American Woman who has been living with HIV since 1986, my only hope is that the portrayal of HIV in America is not just about the advances in the medication and the fact that we are long term survivors, told we are going live after being told we were going to die any day for years, but also the stories of the isolation we still feel and the deep and substanital losses that we have suffered and are still suffering. My oldest child, my beautiful daughter, Sara, was born in 1986 and died 3 months ago due to AIDS. She was only 20 and had suffered both physically and emotionally enough. Yes, there are wonder drugs that are sustaining our lives. But I can promise anyone reading this that until there is acceptance that this illness is a disease like any other, we will loose many more teenagers who’s lives had substance, but refused to feel like crap and didn’t want to be HIV+. My daughter had adequate health insurance and access to every drug available. My three other children lost their sister, not because today’s drugs could not help her, but because she could not accept her illness. Her physician called me yesterday. Another teenager died this week at Georgetown University Hospital. Two unbelievably strong and determined human beings that had so much life to offer us. There is a bigger awareness picture out there. Yes, I am living a life with HIV, but I am 43 and able to accept the ignorance and indiffernce of others. Our HIV+ children can not and many more lives will be lost as a result of ignorance, not lack of medication.

Women and HIV/AIDS

Posted by: amp164

Posted on: 10/23/2006 at 10:06pm (4 of 330)

AIDS in America today is about women, especially women of color, who have been hit the hardest by the epidemic in recent years. Women account for the vast majority of new infections in the US, and often times they are women who do not qualify as ‘at-risk’ individuals or fall into one of the behavioral risk groups created by our national and local health organizations. I look forward to hearing from Magic Johnson as he shares his experience living with the virus for 15 years, and I hope that he talks about the progress we have made with medicine in the US. I also look forward to learning more about how the epidemic has changed over the past few decades from a disease that ravaged the gay community to one that is disproportionately affecting women.

New face of AIDS is my sister…

Posted by: angiefyah

Posted on: 10/24/2006 at 12:45pm (5 of 330)

My father contracted AIDS in the early 80’s he and his new wife(not my mother) had a child in 1980. My half sister was born with HIV and has lived w/it her entire life she is now 26 and pregnant. Her boyfriend and her are very much in love and are very happy about this child they are having. But my family and I are very worried. A lot of things about HIV/AIDS now is that a baby has a 33% chance of not getting it with the m other not even taking any drugs at all. My sister is on top of taking her drugs and wants so badly for her unborn child to not have it. I can only hope for the best. She has had her ups and downs with Pneumonia but her viral loads are low and her HIV is going undetected with the drugs she is taking.

This is the voice and faces of young adults living with the disease now. You can live a somewhat normal life. My sister is the strongest person I know..And I love her. I dont know how she’s dealth with this disease her whole life. But I am sure I will always be there to support her.

What YOU don’t know.

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/24/2006 at 4:39pm (6 of 330)

God bless Oprah Winfrey for airing this show. I attend annual conferences on HIV/AIDS and get the latest updates on this pandemic. I wish Magic Johnson had used his status to help defuse the ignorance about HIV. The stigma is hideous and stems mostly from ignorance, in my opinion. There are people that still believe the virus can be contacted by casual contact (sharing drinking or eating utinsels for example). End the ignorance, end the fear and end the pandemic, in the US anyway. The important part of the show will be the 6 women living with HIV. I have listened for at least 2 years how the face of HIV has changed. At last the word will get out to the masses. The new face of HIV is a woman’s. Disproportionately ethnic women. Women that will more likely need help just to get the meds that may keep them alive. The Ryan White Act is the vehicle used to help those with HIV in the US. Some states have had waiting lists for infected people to get permitted to receive meds from their state from Ryan White funds due to lack of funds. Each year new infections are greater than the deaths from the virus. Ryan White Act funds must increase. Please let your congress men and women know. HIV can be stopped! The President mentioned ending the sourge of HIV in his State of the Union Address. Lets get loud and live long enough to get it done.

Thanks Oprah for the attention to HIV

Posted by: reshia114

Posted on: 10/24/2006 at 5:11pm (7 of 330)

Oprah thank you so much for doing a show on the world of HIV and AIDS. I am going to tape it for the youth at my job to watch. HIV and AIDS has effected my life all my life. My father died of AIDS in 1996, his 3 brothers died one a year from the same. One of my best friends died two days after my 19 bday from AIDS, she was 19! I also have so many other relatives that pass away from this disease I lost count. People need to wake up and realize that HIV and AIDS isnt going anywhere until WE make it. I try and educate everyone I know and urge all my friends to take an AIDS test and continue to protect themselves. To tell the truth some women are scared to tell a guy to wear a condom. Well I’m not. I am engaged to be married, My fiance’ and I both have taken HIV test (both negative) and we still used condoms. Woman need to speak up and protect themselves. To me condoms means love, I love myself enough not to get anything and if I have something I love you enough not to give it to you.

Finally

Posted by: angel522

Posted on: 10/24/2006 at 5:23pm (8 of 330)

I tested positive 12/00 during my pregancy.I can remember leaving the dr’s office but not to much after that. My life has never been the same. On my daughter’s 2nd birthday my family and I were told she did not have the virus. I was sooo happy. I thought I was prepared either way and thankfully I’ll never know.

I’m just glad the public will get to see a different side of HIV/AIDS. We are living our lives amongst everyone else and deal with this virus everyday. When I hear ignorant comments I have to refrain myself but I do try to educate people. I consider myself very lucky because the virus has not yet made itself known. My t-cell and viral load has not changed much in the last 5+ years and I’m not on meds. The only time I was, was during my pregancy and they had positive results. There are a million stories to be told and thankfully we’ll get to hear some of them.

10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 2

Posted by: sadavissr

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 12:54am (9 of 330)

Continuing with my ten questions for Magic Johnson:

6. Nineteen samples of the same blood were sent to nineteen different laboratories, and they all came back with different HIV test results. Question: How can a test that can mean life or death produce different results if done in a different laboratory?

7. There is no established standard for determining the results of an HIV test. In fact, there are at least ten different ways to interpret a test, and each one of those can give a different result. It often depends on where someone lives in the world, whose standards are used to interpret the test, and what information is given about a person’s life and health history. Question: How can some people go from being HIV-positive to being HIV-negative just by moving to a different location, or by changing laboratories or testing sites, or giving different information about their potential “risk factors?”

8. Many people believe that HIV viral load tests do what antibody tests cannot, by detecting the actual virus. But according to the disclaimer statements on viral load tests, they are “not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or to confirm HIV infection.” This is because the viral load tests have some of the same problems as the HIV blood tests: they have never been validated, the “probes” and “primers” they use have never been proven to be unique or specific to HIV, they are not standardized from laboratory to laboratory, they produce a high rate of false positives, and more. Question: How can people who are HIV-negative have high HIV viral load results?

9. Even if the HIV tests were validated, approved for diagnosing actual HIV infection, and had a universal standard of interpretation, there is still no conclusive medical evidence that proves that testing positive is an indication that anyone is or will become sick. There is still no scientific study that proves that HIV causes AIDS or shows that it destroys the immune system. Question: Why does HIV fails every traditional medical and scientific test to be called the cause of AIDS?

10. Recent scientific studies show that twice as many people are dying from the side effects of the anti-retroviral drugs (HAART) than from illnesses associated with AIDS, and that the drugs being given today are even worse than the ones offered ten years ago. Question: Why should anyone take anti-retroviral drugs that have been proven to cause more problems and deaths than AIDS?

10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 1

Posted by: sadavissr

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 12:55am (10 of 330)

I have ten questions for Magic Johnson, because if I read the actual scientific studies concerning HIV and AIDS rather than listening to the mass media hype, I discover that:

1. The HIV test is not a test for AIDS, or even a test for HIV. It is a test to find certain antibodies — an “HIV-antibody” test. But in virtually every other antibody test, to be positive for the antibodies means that you had exposure to or a prior virus infection and are now immune from the disease that virus could cause. Antibody protection is the basis for the practice of vaccinations, like gaining immunity against the flu with a flu shot. Question: Why we should think any differently about antibodies to HIV? A growing number of experts now believe that testing HIV-antibody-positive actually means that you have successfully created what your body needs to defeat any HIV infection.

2. The HIV test is very often wrong. There are over fifty different scientific studies listing seventy non-HIV conditions that can make the test produce false positive results. Depending on which test someone takes, the results can actually be wrong as much as 90% of the time. Question: How do we know what anyone is testing “Positive” for?

3. The HIV test has never been “validated.” That means that there has never been a group of people who tested HIV-positive who were then proven to have active HIV in their blood. Conversely, there has also never been a group who tested HIV-negative and were proven not to have active HIV in their blood. Question: Why should we believe a test that has never been validated?

4. The proteins used in the HIV test kits have never been proven to be unique or specific for HIV. In fact, every one of the proteins used in the test has been found to be associated with conditions that have nothing to do with HIV — and many of these proteins have nothing to do with illness of any kind. Question: Why do we believe a test that has not been proven to be a specific test for HIV?

5. No HIV test, whether it uses blood, urine or saliva, has ever been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the specific intended purpose of diagnosing infection with HIV. In fact, there is a printed insert that comes in every HIV test kit which contains a disclaimer that the test cannot diagnose actual infection with HIV. Question: Why don’t the doctors show us this test disclaimer?

I will continue with my next five questions for Magic Johnson in the next comment.

NBA Legend Magic Johnson and The New Faces of AIDS in America

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Can you please tell me….

Posted by: sandrad06

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 3:05am (11 of 330)

Dear Mr. Johnson,

Is it true that you receive money from GlaxoSmithKline, the company that makes AZT?

Is it true that you started taking AZT shortly after being diagnosed HIV positive in November 1991, but it made you so sick that you stopped taking it within a month. At least, the joke going around the NBA in December 1991 was that “there is no magic in AZT and there’s no AZT in Magic.”

But you have never said publicly when and why you stopped taking AZT, have you?

If you were still taking AZT when you won the Most Valuable Player award for the 1992 NBA All-Star game, did GlaxoSmithKline (then known as Burroughs Wellcome) ask you to make a commercial for them, as a fantastic success story for their drug? Why not?

If you were still taking AZT when you won the gold medal as part of the 1992 USA Basketball team, did Burroughs Wellcome come to you then asking you to hold up your gold medal and make a commercial for them for AZT? Why not?

If you were still taking AZT when you came out of retirement in 1995 and posted some pretty impressive stats for that year, including a near triple-double, did Burroughs Wellcome come to you then asking you to make a commercial for them for AZT? Why not?

Why have you never been honest about when you stopped taking AZT? Were you paid not to say anything? Are you still being paid not to say what drugs you have taken and not taken over the last 15 years?

The magazine ads for Combivir and Trizivir (two of GlaxoSmithKline’s AZT drugs) have your picture in them, but you never say yourself in these ads that you are taking these drugs. Are you? For how long? Have you experienced the side effects that most people experience, such as chronic diarrhea, lipodystrophy, and liver failure?

Thanks.

Sandra

no1healthy

In Response to: 10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 2

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:18am (12 of 330)

WHAT CAUSES AIDS

sadavissr is 100% correct in the comments which were made. HIV has never been proven scientifically to cause AIDS or anything else for that matter. HIV is a retrovirus which occurs naturallly in animals and man and can only be passed down by the mother.

There is not one scientific paper written in the whole world which proves that HIV causes AIDS. In fact, however, Dr. Nancy Padian has completed the longest study in history concerning the transmission of HIV and it was not proven to be sexually transmitted.

In the United States, there are approximately 12,000 new AIDS cases per year. Does this sound like a pandemic or epidemic to you? Many HIV+’s are getting educated to the facts of life and are not taking these toxic drugs.

Statistics have shown that more people have died on the HAART than not on the HAART. The number one killer of HIV or AIDS persons is liver failure from the drugs. Which incidentally, liver failure is not one of the 30 aids-defining diseases.

I think that people should take a closer look at the AIDS definding diseases. Every one of them were on the planet prior to 1982. There is no new diseases, just a rename or reclassification of old diseases which now greatly impact the lives of its victims who are labeled with a sexually-transmitted disease, cannot get insurance, are looked upon as an outcast, told that they must take toxic drugs and told that they will get AIDS and dies. All of this ruining their lives and because of what, a “hypothesis”, not facts.

I had more than HIV. I escalated into full-blown AIDS and nearly died. However, I got educated in a hurry, no longer take these medications and can assure everyone that I am quite healthy.

All that the AIDS Rethinkers ask is for equal time to get our point of view out to the viewers so that they can make up their own minds as to what is true. This is still America where freedom of speech is allowed and cherished as one of our greatest freedoms.

Something needs to change

Posted by: pmc1219

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:00am (13 of 330)

I was told 6 yrs.ago that I was postive and would be died within a yr.I am a white woman who never did anything risky but was the mother of 8 children.I have never taken any drugs for this disease and they can’t find a viral load in me and I have never even had a cold in these 6 yrs.But I do know that the tests can react to over 70 things that can cause a cross reaction and prior pregrancies is one of them.And I have 8 children.HELLO. I feel I have been misdiagnosed and I have to live like I’m dying but I’m not.There are alot of people out there like me that this is happening to and this is so so wrong.And they need to do something about this injustice.Its the people that are taking the drugs that are dying.Please can’t someone come up with a reliable tests that can be trusted so that I and many others will know the truth?

Don’t worry, live life!

In Response to: Something needs to change

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:13am (14 of 330)

You are correct that up to 70 things can cause a false positive. However, even if the test were 100% accurate, it is meaningless. To prove this point, you must realize that HIV was not found in all of the original AIDS cases. It is not in the fluids or the blood of anyone and the so-called viral load test is in fact a measure of one’s antibodies. So you see, either you had a false positive test or the test was correct and you have antibodies to HIV which throughout history, antibodies have always been a good thing, except in this one particular case.

Having said all that, as stated above a HIV+ test will ruin your life just the same. More importantly than that, is how are you going to react to all of this. If you accept the current point of view then you will start worrying and at some point may be placed on the most toxic chemotherapy that has ever been invented by man.

I would highly recommend that you do what most of us have done and that is to get educated about all of this. Talk to others who are in the same boat. Listen to what both sides have to say and then you can make a better determination of who you believe is right and how to proceed forward with your choices in life.

If you live in a smaller city or cannot find support, then do as I did, turn to the internet where there is a world of help and many organizations. For my point of view go to the Aid’s Rethinker sites or blogs.

HIV?????

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:21am (15 of 330)

Think of AIDS this way. Unless we all assume we are all born perfect specimens then we all come into this world with some Immune Deficiency, the ID in AIDS, which can be further worsened by any number of common afflictions or conditions like the flu or pregnancy, the A in AIDS, which in turn could lead to suffering simultaneously any number of opportune diseases, the S in AIDS. No need for some phantom HIV retrovirus to end up with AIDS. In other words AIDS has always existed and is just a renaming of common afflictions known for centuries along with known cures. And this is especially so in Africa. Under no circumstances should anyone allow themselves to be tested for that will-o-th-wisp HIV unless one, with a false positive reading, wishes to end up a pariah suffering a life of abject misery despite being perfectly healthy. If you are sick insist on being treated for what is really ailing you. HIV has never been proven to be the so called single cause of AIDS. Just as yellow fingers are not the cause of lung cancer, HIV, according to some of the best scientific minds in the world cannot cause AIDS despite what the HIV=AIDS=CERTAIN DEATH protagonists mumble to the contrary. If it is anything HIV is the yellow fingers of AIDS. Magic Johnson and others, the so called “long term survivors”, and their numbers are legion, are surely testament to that.

Even test kit manufactures are not sure what they are testing for. A typical test kit insert caveat…….

“The Amplicor HIV-1 Monitor test is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection” 1. Abbott Laboratories, Diagnostic Division, 66-8805/R5; January, 1997

no1healthy

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:36am (16 of 330)

The commentor is correct. The question to ask is why are the physicians using these unreliable tests and why do physicians have to use a PCR or DNA test to search for “fragments” of a virus if HIV is suppose to be so destructive and lead into AIDS when in fact it is non-existent.

City of New York is opening up an “HIV Jail”

Posted by: jgkiefer

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:46am (17 of 330)

Mr. Johnson,

Did you know that the City of New York is talking about opening up an “HIV Jail” in Bellevue Hospital, like the “TB Jail” that has been operating there for more than 10 years?

If you don’t remember, thanks to a major infusion of federal financing in the mid-90’s, New York health officials took an active approach to tuberculosis, getting as many patients as possible on directly observed therapy, known as D.O.T., in which outreach workers administered tuberculosis medications in clinics, patients’ homes and on the street. For patients who “failed” D.O.T., the health department employed forcible detention, either at Bellevue Hospital or at Goldwater Hospital, where they were “detained” for as long as two years. They called it the “TB Jail.”

The New York City Health Department is now proposing the same thing for people who test Positive for HIV but “fail” or refuse to take the prescribed HIV medications, even though there is ample evidence that the medications themselves make people sick. They want to create an “HIV Jail” in Bellevue and lock you away if you don’t comply. This would include HIV-Positives who had AIDS, but also HIV-Positives who are perfectly healthy, with no symptoms of AIDS or any other disease, who simply didn’t want to take the dangerous HIV drugs.

Is this the right thing to be doing in America, the land of the free?

HIV?????

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 9:47am (18 of 330)

Think of AIDS this way. Unless we all assume we are all born perfect specimens then we all come into this world with some Immune Deficiency, the ID in AIDS, which can be further worsened by any number of common afflictions or conditions like the flu or pregnancy, the A in AIDS, which in turn could lead to suffering simultaneously any number of opportune diseases, the S in AIDS. No need for some phantom HIV retrovirus to end up with AIDS. In other words AIDS has always existed and is just a renaming of common afflictions known for centuries along with known cures. And this is especially so in Africa. Under no circumstances should anyone allow themselves to be tested for that will-o-th-wisp HIV unless one, with a false positive reading, wishes to end up a pariah suffering a life of abject misery despite being perfectly healthy. If you are sick insist on being treated for what is really ailing you. HIV has never been proven to be the so called single cause of AIDS. Just as yellow fingers are not the cause of lung cancer, HIV, according to some of the best scientific minds in the world cannot cause AIDS despite what the HIV=AIDS=CERTAIN DEATH protagonists mumble to the contrary. If it is anything HIV is the yellow fingers of AIDS. Magic Johnson and others, the so called “long term survivors”, and their numbers are legion, are surely testament to that.

Even test kit manufactures are not sure what they are testing for. A typical test kit insert caveat…….

“The Amplicor HIV-1 Monitor test is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV or as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection” 1. Abbott Laboratories, Diagnostic Division, 66-8805/R5; January, 1997

What are we becoming?

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 10:08am (19 of 330)

Does this strike you as appalling that this could happen in America? Well, for the history buffs let’s go back to the 1930’s when children were taken from their homes and families and placed in orphanges because it was thought that they had a communicable disease. In fact, it was later determined that they had pellagra, which was caused by a vitamin deficiency. Now, what hardships did that place on the families?

And to the other end of the spectrum, we knowing withheld antiboitic treatments to black men with syphilis to monitor the affects.

In this case placing adults in jail for refusing to take toxic drugs is horrendous and a violation of one civil rights and HIV has not proven to cause AIDS.

Today, there is a case going on in an Australian court because a HIV+ man had unprotected sex with women. His legal defense is that HIV has not been proven to cause AIDS or HIV is not sexually transmitted.

This discussion is very necessary to prevent more tragedies in life and to bring the truth out to the public.

Question for Magic

Posted by: catmccraw

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 10:18am (20 of 330)

Mr. Johnson,

We’re constantly told that HIV is sexually transmitted. But Nancy Padian, in the largest and longest study of its kind, followed 175 discordant couples (one partner HIV positive, the other HIV negative) for anywhere from 4 to 6 years. At the end of the study, not one – NOT ONE – of the HIV negative partners became HIV positive, even though almost a third of them were not using condoms consistently and 39% were engaging in anal sex. If HIV was sexually transmitted, why didn’t any of the HIV negative partners get HIV?

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Questioning..

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 10:18am (21 of 330)

As a so-called HIV Positive Gay male since 1997 I have had a series of Questions for BOTH the AIDS Establishment and the Group Of Scientists that are Reappraising HIV/AIDS. In My own Experience as a HIV+ Patient I have only encountered grief and Many Unanswered Questions.

I was Told I was going to die from HIV and AIDS Complications and I have Never Been Sick with anything Defined or related to HIV/AIDS.

Why Did I Test Indeterminate(Negative) After 6 years of being treated with a Chemotherapy Drug(AZT) and a Toxic Combo?

If there is No Cure Why did I HAVE to Retest 6 years later?

Why are the Symptoms I have Now Only related to the Toxic Drugs?[The Fine Print.Complete Horror.]Anemia and Neuropathy.

Why Do My Medical Records Indicate that The Tests are Not Intended to be used to Diagnose My so-called HIV Infection?

Why aren’t these Disclaimers Posted in Public HIV Clinics across America?

Why Is a Tcell Definition for AIDS Required in the United States and Not Other Countries?

Why Is some HIV Annonymous HIV testing Free in the USA and Not Required at all in Africa?

Why Has Africa doubled In population?

Since HIV/AIDS supposedly Infects Men More than Women according to the State Health facts Why is HIV/AIDS Considered a Disease?

My Last Question: Does Magic Johnson Believe he has a “Gay Disease” according to the latest Campaign from the LA Gay and Lesbian center?

Sincerely Tomás Brewster

Florida

Keep on Questioning

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 10:35am (22 of 330)

Tomas Brewster has asked some very valid points that I am sure that most would like to know the answers too. If I may, I would like to address them for those who may not be familiar to the controversy about AIDS. I also would hope that Mr. Johnson would address them too.

According to Dr. Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize winner for the invention of the PCR or DNA test, if one stays on the anti-virals or HAART, the anitbodies can be wiped out so therefore one can test negative as anitobodies are only being tested for in the first place. This used to confuse me because while on the medications, the doctors will say that your viral load is non-detectable. In fact, one’s antibodies are non-detectable.

Medicine will rarely say that anyone is cured of anything, maybe acne, but not anyone with a serious disease. The best that they will say is that one is in remission. Kinda keeps you hanging on.

The anti-viral or HAART are well known for causing anemia and neuropathy. My anemia did not subside until I came off the meds.

The standard saying that this is not intended to diagnose…. is a legal out for somebody.

You make a great statement, why don’t we see posted in every lab, doctor’s office and hospital about the disclaimer of these tests especially since so much is at stake here and will have life-time consequences to the patient.

When the Center of Disease Control added the CD4 requirement to the AIDS stew, well, this overnight doubled the number of AIDS cases in this country. Talk about inflated statistics. Most of these newly diagnosed people did not have any clincal symptoms whatsoever. Case in point, my CD4’s are under 200 and I am in perfect health.

These are excellent questions that you have asked and our government should have to answer them.

Angel522

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Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 11:23am (23 of 330)

Antibodies to Pregnancy are listed as a “Cross Reactor” in the Medical Literature.. along with about 70 other conditions..You may want Question your so called HIV test results.

AIDS is Hype

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 12:46pm (24 of 330)

Magic is not even sick. He’s as healthy as a horse.

HIV is mostly hype. They can’t even find the virus. The drugs they give you, though, are dangerous as hell.

In fact, Arthur Ashe was killed by AZT, the drug that was supposed to help him.

Tony Brown and Lee Evans are best resources on AIDS. They’ve figgured it out. Magic hasn’t.

These people don’t know what they’re doing.

Is My Dream Big Enough?

Posted by: gmstmtch

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 12:53pm (25 of 330)

Oprah,

At 27 years old I have seen it all, or so I think. I am HIV+ and have just been Honorably Discharged from the United States Army. I want more out of life. In referencing your show with the gifts you gave to Africa, you stated have you ever felt joy that was palpable. Indeed, this is the joy I felt after viewing such a show as this. I want to not just have that joy contained but I want to be active and DO something to help in any way I can. After my training in the United States Army I am confident that I can go into remote villages and teach about HIV/Aids prevention. I want to be a voice that gets retro-virals not only provided but also to be a voice that gets laws passed in Africa. With my HIV+ status I am currently not on any medication and am capable of going to the ends of the Earth to speak out for what change needs to occur. Oprah, my dream is big, and it’s simply to be able to go to Africa to live and teach HIV/Aids prevention, to help pass laws, to give that palpable joy to children and adults by whatever means possible. Oprah, I am unique in nature as God has granted me this dream, but I believe in it…..will you?

Sincerely,

Gregory R. Volle

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Posted by: lvlyblkldy

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 1:30pm (26 of 330)

I was told I was HIV positive about 17 1/2 years ago I was 18,6 months pregnant and was told if I had the baby it would die by the age of two, so I had an abortion, mind you I had already had a child that was 9 months old, I found out after I had him that I was positive. Okay so again I was told my child would die, well since then I had 2 more children after I was dianogesed, all three of my children are negative.Although, I have had this virus for almost 18 years now, my Tcells have dropped down to 49 once before and then back up, they have not ever been over 200. I have been told that when my Tcells were at 49 they could not believe that I was still able to work a full time job, go to school and take care of my family. I thank GOD that I have not ever experienced any AIDS related illnesses. Now my question is simply this I don’t take medication I am perfectly healthy, my husband is not infected, my children are negative and when my tcell drop’s due to stress from what I was told.I have been asked by a few doctors (not my doctor) if they could do a study on me.Organizations are amazed that I have not evver had a symothon oh wait I did have thrush before but anything serious Thank GOD I have not. What is really going on with HIV/AIDS. I know that I am blessed by GOD, is there something that the goverment will not tell us about the disease and the medication. I speake about how this Disease is affecting the Black and Latino women in my community, but when I speak I want to share as much, my own personal experiences and information on being healthy, staying safe and as much knowledge that I can possibly inform people. Do you have any answers to any of my questions or maybe why some people that have the virus do well and others do so bad. I have had the virus longer than people that I know that have it and I tell you they are not doing great at all.

Blessed.

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Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 1:32pm (27 of 330)

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You are normal

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 1:53pm (28 of 330)

Yes, you are truly blessed and very normal. I am so sorry to hear that due to fear you had an abortion. You are a wonderful testiment to the fact that HIV is harmless in itself.

Do not be alarmed by CD4’s as way back in the 1970’s they were not given credit to mean very much. However, now with AIDS, they seem to be given a great deal of significance by the CDC and the AIDS doctors. Olympic athletes have been known to have low CD4’s, a fact that my doctor admitted too. They go up and down and many things can influence them to the time of day that the blood test was drawn to the the lab which is reading the tests.

I do not personally put too much stock into them because I have had low CD4’s with low viral loads and high CD4’s with higher loads. So in essence they are not the best yardsticks to be using when gauging one’s health. I believe that the old-fashioned way, of determining if the patient has any symptoms, is the best method.

To answer your question in regards to why some people do better than others? This is easy, it all depends upon one’s overall health and life-style habits. Many of us believe that this is the true cause of AIDS and not some illusive virus.

You might want to do research about Stephen Davis as he would be very interested in your story.

HIV=AIDS – Fact or Fraud?

Posted by: hivlies

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 3:13pm (29 of 330)

Dear Oprah and Magic, Did you know that there is a video documentary currently on Google video that you can download for free called “HIV=AIDS – Fact or FRAUD?” that is being seen around the world? This documentary explains 10 scientific reasons why HIV can NOT be the cause of AIDS, what the REAL causes could be, why AID$ drugs are fatally toxic and cause AIDS by prescription, and who perpetrated this deadly myth of HIB/AID$ while ripping off nearly 300 Billion Dollars as they poisoned 300,000 people. I have three questions: 1. Do you STILL stand by your statements that HIV is THE “cause of AIDS” after 15 years? 2. Are you aware that many people now question HIV and the AID$ industry, and that testing with this inavalid test can ruin millions of lives needlessly? 3.Things have changed! People are now becomming aware of this monstrous and deadly FRAUD, and that they are going to be angry about it! Do you realize how this could ultimately effect your credibility and public image? Would you consider making this right and publically denouncing HIV=AIDS for what it really is? Do you realize that the growing population of people now aware of this mass-genocidal rip-off will be wathcing your program to meticulously rip it apart and blast it out all over the internet as Deadly HIV=AID$ propaganda! I hope you understand that this debate is NOT going to go away. HIV/AID$ will be reavealed for what it really is, and I am honestly concerned about your stand on this issue as it will effect your legacy and public image. I hope that you can take what I say in an honest and friendly manner. HIV=AIDS. like a lot of other huge LIES the government told us, are going to be brought to justice!

THE TRUTH CANNOT BE HIDDEN

In Response to: HIV=AIDS – Fact or Fraud?

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 3:29pm (30 of 330)

This commentor adds some fuel to the fire in a very strong manner but speaks the truth. The public is becoming more and more aware of this injustice thanks to the many sites on the internet and due to the coming out of so many of the HIV+’s who do not take these medications and are living normal lives.

It’s high time that this issue be addressed by the mainstream news media instead of showing us dying people around the world who are starving, living in unsanitary conditions, don’t have access to clean water or adequate medical care. How could anyone be expected to survive under these conditions. Strong drugs is not the solution for these people, better living conditons and the proper nourishment is the answer.

We can only hope that news reporters and hosts will do their jobs, investigate and report the truth to the world.

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HIV and AIDS are NOT synonymous!

Posted by: drheide

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 4:21pm (31 of 330)

As a doctor I am very concerned about the CDC considering mandatory HIV testing for all citizens. The HIV blood test has so many “false positives”. That is, there are many conditions from recently having a flu shot to pregnancy that can result in a positive HIV blood test. Just imagine the stigma in your life of being branded HIV POSITIVE when it turns out it was a false reading? Oprah I can’t say enough about the fact that, in my opinion, we’ve gone down the wrong road concerning AIDS.

Thanks to the Good Doctor

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 5:05pm (32 of 330)

It’s refreshing to see a doctor speak the truth and not go down the same old path like most of the his or her chosen profession. Being a doctor gives one a license to learn, not know it all.

We started going down the wrong path over 20 years ago when true science was thrown out the window in lieu of conjecture. Next, someone decided to give the sickest people on the planet one of the worse, failed, cancer drugs that there was AZT. AIDS patients were killed by this disaster. Then we continued on and developed more toxic drugs which cause liver problems, heart failure, anemia, diarrhea, disfigurement, abnormal blood levels and elevated liver enzymes to name a few and we gave and still give them to people who are clinically healthy. Does this make any rational sense to any one?

Now, we want to test the whole population for this non-proven virus. Where will it all end? How many more lives will be destroyed or taken?

We, as a nation cannot allow this to contiune. We must start over admit to our wrong-doings and stop this madness.

HIV causes AIDS?

Posted by: tmahood

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 5:23pm (33 of 330)

Mr. Johnson,

I’ve heard for years that HIV causes AIDS. But I have looked and looked, and I cannot find a single scientific paper that proves that. Dr. Kary Mullis, who won the Nobel Prize in 1993, says he can’t find it either.

Can you tell us where to look for the proof that HIV causes AIDS?

HIV+ mother, grandmother, sister, daugther

Posted by: whittyc19

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 5:44pm (34 of 330)

I have been reading several of the comments and as a person living with HIV, I am most upset about the lack of education. Someone said her daugther died at the age of 20 not because she did not have the meds but because of the way she was treated. America treats people that are HIV infected totally different than a person with Cancer. Both can kill you and cause your life cycle to be cut short. But that is God’s will not ours.

I do not claim HIV. I was diagnosed with HIV in 2000. I know that I am healed by HIS strips and that no weapons that form against me shall prosper. Your faith and education (America)will change the minds of millions. I am a new face of HIV. I believe that we (HIV+) people have to teach those around us about the disease. I have stepped out on faith and have begin acknowleding that I am HIV+. When people see me they cannot believe that I am postive. It did take me sometime to get to this level, but with God’s grace and love, I am doing better. I am helping other newly infected women to allow themselves acceptance of the disease.

We need your love and support. Oprah I hope you get to talk with other women of color that are HIV+ and living normal lives. I am looking forward to seeing the show.

I am a mother, grandmother, sister, daugther and aunt. I fit all the hats of a woman and I am also a teacher in the new face of HIV?AIDS>

There is more information!

In Response to: More Information

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 6:26pm (35 of 330)

Dear lvlyblkldy, There is an answer to your question which I will frame as “Why am I a non-progressor”? The answer is found in the PBS series “Secrets of the Dead” episode “Mystery of the Black Death”. The Black Death was the name used to describe the victims of The Plague that went thru Europe in the late 1340’s. The Plague took 35 million lives, 60 to 75 percent of the European population. Here is the key. The survivors of the Plague had the “Delta 32 Mutation” of the CCR5 Gene. The Plague was the bacterial equivalent of the HIV virus. Both take down the immune system and allow opportunistic infections to destroy the body. (I’m a layman so please bear with me). Fast forward to today. It has been found in HIV positive people that “Slow Progressors” have a single Delta 32 Mutation and “Non-progressors” have two copies of the Delta 32 Mutation. The single mutation from a plague survivor and the double mutation from the off-spring of couples both being survivors. That is one possible answer. The episode detailing the above can be obtained at 800-336-1917. Another factor is that there are different strains of the HIV virus. Some more aggressive than others.

Yes you are blessed. We are all blessed, but not all have the eyes to see.

QUESTION

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 6:41pm (36 of 330)

You say that HIV “takes down” the immune system, would you please explain to us how this is accomplished since retroviruses are not known to harm anything?

this is one of those moments

Posted by: pmc1219

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:18pm (37 of 330)

Oprah,this is the moment that you can really make a difference in poeples lifes.I’ve been told I’m postive,but I have no other reason to believe that I have it.I’m prefectly healthy and Have always been that way.I have never taken drugs for it and you can see from all of these messages there is reason to question what we are being told.Please look into the truth,seek out the real answers so we may all know for sure the truth.You have Dr.Oz and he gives the real truth about our health.Why not have others who have written books about the Unreliabity of these tests on to explain how all of this happened.It’s no secret there are over 2000 Dr’s and researchers out there that say this and some are Nobel Prize winners.They can’t get the truth out there because the drug companies don’t want the truth out there.You can make a differnce in my life by bringing this debate to the forefront.I’m a great person but I could be so much more if I could find out the truth.Either I have it or I don’t.Right now I’m not sure,and there are alot of things I could be doing if I knew for sure I didn’t have it.Please don’t close your eyes to this just because you think you know something.You have alot of people that could investigate this and find out the answers.Alot of us are counting on you for the truth.Do you remember when it was just a gay disease and then it was the black community being attacted and now here we are that everyone needs to get tested.How does a virus no your black or gay?I’ve always wondered that.Please help us out here so the truth can be known for sure.

All I Ever Did Was Love a Man Sharon Allison-Ottey

Posted by: constreed

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:27pm (38 of 330)

I want to share this book with your readers by Sharon D. Allison-Ottey, MD which is a new genre in fiction writing. The book is about a woman that looks like me and you–a divorcee with 2 children, did not sleep around alot, no drugs and just wanted to find love. She is unexpectedly tired, and can’t get rid of a yeast infection–she found out that she had HIV. However, this is not a sob story about this woman but you see up close and personal what her life is–her loves, her ups, downs, the power of friendship and how she conquers this challenge. The author spoke at my church and I can tell you that hundreds of us listened and finally “got it” and became aware. Our church had over 600 women come out on a Monday night to talk and interact with the author and the conversation has not stopped.

The book is fabulous–I felt like I was up close and in person with the disease, things I never thought about like sexuality, living wills, how a mother feels, kissing, how a best friend is affected and it is great reading with love, mystery and dramatic twists. The author’s proceeds go to fund HIV testing and support for persons that cannot afford medications. My church was pleased to help support these efforts. This should be mandatory reading for all and I have made my girlfriends read it and we have used the study guide.

If you want your teens, friends, parents, and grandparents to have their eyes opened, I advise that you learn all you can about HIV/AIDS. While there are great advances it still is a terminal disease that we all need to prevent. I have become an advocate and try to educate myself. I have had 2 friends die of the disease and unfortunately my fear & ignorance kept me from being a true “friend” . My eyes have been opened and I will never make the same mistake. Thank you for the show– I look forward to seeing it tommorrow.

we need your help oprah

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Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:27pm (39 of 330)

Oprah, can you see the sincerity in the above person’s comments. We need your help because although there are many of us out here, we do not have the news platform to get our voices heard. Nevertheless, we are making waves on the internet.

Why don’t you have a show that consists of Aids Rethinkers and there are many prominent ones in this country and others. Be fair and let the untold side of AIDS out of the bag so to speak. I can direct you to some individuals to contact to see if they would be a guest on your show.

We are now black, white, men, women, children, ethic groups, gays and straights. This unfortunate labeling can occur to any one and at any age. Be the first, bold celebrity to take a stand so that we can begin to heal and right this wrong in our society.

I know that I speak for many in thanking you for your concern,

A Grateful Aids person

Can Anyone Help?

Posted by: wildflwer7

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:38pm (40 of 330)

My mother passed away 3 weeks ago as a result of complications during her treatment for pnemonia. She might have been susceptible to the infection because of her weakened immune system, but I, have also contracted pnemonia multiple times since living in our apartment. Her health records will show her condition rapidly deteriorated over the course of living in our apartment. I have letters from doctors and social workers, written as recent as 2 months ago, urging for her to be moved out. For approximately 5 years now my mother and I have been with Harlem United (a agency specificly for people who live with HIV/AIDS) and for the past 3 years we have resided in the apartment. The agreement with the organization was that we would be temporarily placed in the building and would be out within 12 months. Three years later we were not only still in the building, but since day one there was a laundry list of violations. My mother met with Harlem United, as well as 311 and HASA. She also called the landlord directly several times to report the problems, and with the exception of one, none of the violations were fixed.These unacceptable living conditions included various electrical problems (a short circuit in the kitchen and numerous broken electrical outlets which resulted in the extensive use of extension cords in the apartment, even necessary for powering major appliances), a broken toilet, and sporadic hot water, just to name a few of the minor conditions. These conditions while unacceptable only indirectly affected our well-being. At 4:58am on Mothers Day of this year, due to a lack of security in our building (a faulty intercom and unlocked main entrance) our front door was shot through seven times. One of these bullets landed less than one foot from where my mother was sleeping. The landlord promised that he would change our door, but instead he filled the holes with wood. Even when I am able to leave my house, I am reminded of how unsafe I am in my own home.In addition to our lives being threatened there were also conditions that directly made my mother’s health worse. Due to a constant leak in the bathroom, the ceiling has fallen in twice. The second time it fell on my mother, and she developed a rash which never properly healed.

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21 years of this preventable disease and counting.

In Response to: Thanks Oprah for the attention to HIV

Posted by: cjam4jazz

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:41pm (41 of 330)

First and foremost I want to thank Oprah also for doing a show on a subject that many people don’t want talk about. I am a 38 year old Hispanic female and I am living with AIDS. I’ve struggled with my health for quite sometime now but with the Grace of GOD I am still around my task here on earth is not completed. I am a single parent of three. My children at one point had to become my parent because I became very ill. I can proudly say that even through all that my kids have gone through they too have succeeded. They did not let AIDS bring them down. You see all of this could’ve been preventable if I had used condoms and not fully trust in a man not so quick. The man that passed HIV to me always knew he was infected and never once told me, I had to find out once he became very ill and ended up in emergency. For the past 8 years now I have done nothing but to educate people on they really need to be careful with self not everyone is honest with their health status. So many want to believe in their partners and now adays we can’t just go by what is said to us, I say to people if you want to engage in a intimate relationship without the use of condoms both you and your partner would have to get tested and together see each other result that is the only sure way. Currently I am a Health Services Coordinator in the Correctional Facilities, previously I have been an Outreach Worker primarily focused on HIV/AIDS Prevention. I have had the privilage to see Mr.Johnson speak at one of our events in Rochester and he is a wonderful speaker especially I really enjoy that he keeps it real with the people. So again thank you Oprah.

Yes I will.

In Response to: QUESTION

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 7:44pm (42 of 330)

Ok, remember I am a layman. So it will be “simplistic”. The “overview” of the process does seem simple. So simple. Here is my rendetion of the reproduction cycle of the Human Immunodeficiency Virus – HIV. Viruses cannot not reproduce on their own. This includes HIV. They must invade another cell in our body, take it over and make it produce copies of itself (the virus). HIV uses the CD4 cell that is part of the immune system. Once a CD4 is taken over it produces HIV and no longer functions as a CD4 cell. That is the taking down of the immune system in the simplest of explanations. Now for the fun part.

How do the meds work? Well, it is much like a treatment for termites (the overview of the processes). The reproduction cycle is interupted causing no reproduction, or defective reproduction leading to the reproductions not being able to reproduce. HIV uses 3 enzymes to cause the CD4 cell to make copies of the virus. There has been a med developed for each of these enzymes that inhibit that part of the process. I believe “Protease Inhibitors” are the most widely known class of these drugs. (OK working from memory here) There are I think 5 classes of drugs now. Three are the enzyme inhibitors and I believe the other 2 are: 1. Prevent the virus from entering the CD4 cell and 2. Prevent the virus from attaching to the CD4 cell. All together there are 20 or more drugs to treat HIV. A more detailed description of the processes of reproduction and their interuption can be found in the pamphlet “How HIV Works In Your Body” from Glaxo Smith Kline.

I try to keep an open mind about things no1healthy. I like to quote Patrick Swayze in a tv interview when he said “I don’t have room to grow when I’m right”. I will be Googling the sources and names mentioned in this thread. I have too much to lose to be ignorant of all available information. For those of you into herbal treatments. Echinacea is contra-indicated for HIV+ people. Don’t take it.

Can Anyone Help? IF SO, PLS EMAIL

Posted by: wildflwer7

Posted on: 10/25/2006 at 8:19pm (43 of 330)

My mother passed away 3 weeks ago as a result of complications during her treatment for pnemonia. She might have been susceptible to the infection because of her weakened immune system, but I, have also contracted pnemonia multiple times since living in our apartment. Her health rapidly deteriorated over the course of living in our apartment. I have letters from doctors and social workers, written as recent as 2 months ago, urging for us to be moved out. The agreement was that we would be temporarily placed in the building and would be out within 12 months. 3 years later we were not only still in the building, but since day one there was a laundry list of violations. My mother met with Harlem United, 311 and HASA. She also called the landlord several times to report the problems, and with the exception of 1, none of the violations were fixed. At 4:58am on Mothers Day of this year, due to a lack of security in our building our front door was shot through seven times.1 of the bullets landed less than one foot from where my mother was sleeping. The landlord promised that he would change our door, but instead he filled the holes with wood. I am reminded of how unsafe I am in my own home daily. Due to a constant leak in the bathroom, the ceiling fell in twice. The 2nd time it fell on my mother, and she developed a rash which never healed. she also DVT’s and open ulcers in both of her legs. This greatly affected her mobility, especially climbing stairs. Since the elevator is contstantly broken she was not always able to attend her medical appointments. We attempted to move on our own, but by then my mother’s condition had worsened to the point that she was unable to go to meet with the landlord of the new apartment. The landlord eventually rented the apartment to another party, thus we were back to the starting point. To add insult to injury, one day after my mother’s funeral, i was informed that I needed to vacate our apartment by November 12th. My mother was estranged from her family i have no one. tawanagill@gmail.com

I know I am prying perhaps

In Response to: New face of AIDS is my sister…

Posted by: mirahjay

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:02am (44 of 330)

but how does a person who is HIV positive have unprotected sex?

I thought that they were confined to having to use condoms so as to not pass along the disease?

it diesn’t matter whether or not Oprah

In Response to: Is My Dream Big Enough?

Posted by: mirahjay

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:21am (45 of 330)

believes in your dream ever….so long as long as you do.

write madonna and hook up with her. or the state department, some of the pharmaceutical companies. the foreign relations department, the embassador to south africa, malawi etc..

put together a plan to go over there for six months.

make it happen because it is YOUR dream.

Oprah has her own.

good luck to you btw

Are you planning to stay in the apt?

In Response to: Can Anyone Help?

Posted by: mirahjay

Posted on: 10/24/2006 at 10:28am (46 of 330)

Where you eligible to move there as a result of your mother’s HIV/AIDS infection or yours? If you are planning to stay are there others with whom you can unite in order to protest the conditions in the building?

Surrepitiously make a video of the apartment. Keep a record of the dates that you have called for repairs who you spoke to and their response. I would write a letter to several of the editors of the NYT. Also all of the “alternative” newspapers. What about your faith organization? Can you ask them to advocate on your behalf?

Since all of the major news organizations are located in NY I would compile a list and write (email) each one. I would also write any and all of the AIDS support groups throughout the region. If conditions are as poor as you state, it most definetly should not be ignored. How could the NY health department tolerate ill people to housed in unhealthy conditions?

I am sorry to hear of your mother’s passing. Take care.

Wonderful day in the News(Media)

In Response to: THE TRUTH CANNOT BE HIDDEN

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:07am (47 of 330)

HIV Goes on trial in an Australian Court of Law…

and

so-called Co Discoverer of HIV/AIDS Dr Robert Gallo up for Scientific Misconduct…

Rethinkers United

THE FACTS OF LIFE

In Response to: I know I am prying perhaps

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:12am (48 of 330)

The facts of life are simply this, HIV is a retrovirsus which cannot be passed through sex, only passed down from the mother to her child.

To prove this point, go to the CDC websites and take a look at all of the top, say 4, sexually transmitted diseases. First, you will find many, many thousands of them.

Secondly, by doing the research, you will find that most of these diseases occur within the 12-24 age group, in a certain sex, race and even a certain location of this country.

Now, do the same for HIV and you will see that the statistics do not match in any way shape or form because by doing the math, HIV is still mainly in the gay, male population.

Dr. Padian has done a study where one partner had HIV and the other did not and guess what, having non-protected sex, the non-HIV person did not contract HIV.

Add the fact, that only about 12,000 new AIDS cases occur every year, not even 1% of the population in this country. This is not a raging sexual epidemic.

Magical CD4’s

In Response to: Yes I will.

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:23am (49 of 330)

That’s an interesting theory but I have never heard of CD4’s changing into anything and if this virus is so prevalent, then why is it not in anyone’s blood and why do they have to use a sophisticated magnifing glass so to speak to try to find it in the first place? And lasty, why are the drugs worse than the disease?

YES AND NO

In Response to: AIDS is Hype

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:17am (50 of 330)

The problem is that since the early 1980’s HIV and AIDS have been living together without official paperwork. They have been linked together over the years so it is natural for the public to associate them together.

However, they are two separate entities. Case in point, HIV is a harmless, retrovirsus which hasn’t been scientifically proven to harm a flea.

When we hear that someone died of AIDS, well that is not possible bacause the person has died from one or more of many diseases. AIDS is only a reclassification of many, old diseases. All of which were on planet Earth, prior to the first case of AIDS which by the way, it was called GRID then, in reference to being a gay disease.

Stop and think, just by looking at some of the comments on this site, we have heard of a lot of HIV+ people say that they are doing fine. Even some wonder why are they doing well. It’s because the HIV test is really a bogus and meaningless test. These people are healthy because they have good health habits or they too would be sick.

Now, the Aids category is more complicated as the CDC has changed the rules about 3 different times. So now one needs to have an AIDS defining disease(one of many)or have CD4’s under 200 and be HIV+. They might not tell you this, but there have been HIV-cases of AIDS.

In my humble opinion, the CDC needs to first do away first with HIV and the test which made Robert Gallo an overnight millionaire. For those who don’t know, he stole the HIV specimens from the French and claimed them for his own. So you see, this AIDS has always been a mess. Hollywood should be making a movie about all this, I’m available for a part!

Next, CD4’s are another little item that should not be given the significance that they are. There again, if you have read the above comments will see that people have low CD4’s that in theory should be sick but they’re healthy.

Lastly, the AIDS classification can stay or go. In one way it makes it easier to say that someone has AIDS instead of listing a whole bunch of diseases because when anyone hears that, they realize that the person is sick and probably dying. There again though, I think that the criteria for AIDS should be more strict and involve actual symptoms and sicknesses. For you see as of this writing I have AIDS.

I would have to agree with your last comment, that they don’t know what they are doing. Our governmental agencies must be help accountable for the harm done to its citizens.

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Faulty facts

In Response to: THE FACTS OF LIFE

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:18am (51 of 330)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But no one is entitled to report mistaken data as facts.

The annual rate of new infections in the US has held steady at roughly 40,000 for the past several years. Check the CDC for that.

Now this passing from mother to child. Didn’t you say you are pos in one of your posts here? Does your mother have HIV? I am pos and my mother isn’t. What about the rest of the pos people on earth? And this gay male thing. The statistics probably currently support that in the US. However, only in the US. In the rest of the world that is not the case. It will not be long till it is not the case in the US. That is part of what the tv program is trying to tell the world, isn’t it?

When the only tool one has is a hammer, then pounding on things is the only way to make a repair. Open up your world and read something other than the alternative view points on this pandemic.

I was into alternative medicine, herbs etc. Then September 7, 1999 I had a date with death that I missed. Thanks to the hard work of EMT’s and hospital staffs. I had PCP and my friend that called the squad was told at the hospital that I probably would not have made it through the night had I not gone to the hospital. 30 pounds had wasted off my 165 pound normal weight. My CD4 count was 36 and my viral load was over 500,000 (as high as they count). It took over 7 days of mainlining antibiotics to just break the fever. I spent 30 days in hospitals and got walking again.

I was put on HIV meds and have not missed a dose. Currently my viral load is undetectable and my CD4 counts run in the 6 and 700 range.

Thank God for conventional medicine. There is an overwhelming wealth of information on HIV/AIDS available to those that seek it. As a person living with AIDS I have sought it.

A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an idea. Be it medicine or God. I know that I know what I know.

Peace.

Cnange of data

In Response to: THE FACTS OF LIFE

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:32am (52 of 330)

The annual rate of HIV is about 40,000 cases per year, however the aids cases is accurate to only about 12,000.

Response to data

In Response to: Faulty facts

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:42am (53 of 330)

There are nearly 40,000 HIV reports each year in this country but I stick to my guns on the actual AIDS cases which is around 12,000.

I am glad that you got the necessary help that you needed, I could tell you a similiar story but will not do that here. Each person has to make up their own minds as to what they believe to be true and what works for them.

When I tell my story, I always say that what works for me may not work for you and that, after all, it’s your life do what that inner voice inside is the right thing to do.

Best in health!

BEEEN THERE DONE IT!

In Response to: Faulty facts

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:49am (54 of 330)

I have looked at all views of what you call an pandemic, which it is not in this country by the way. If you read my posts you will find that I had full-blown AIDS which means I had kicked it up a knotch as Emerol would say.

I had several of the AIDS defining diseases, almost died, tried the route that you are taking, became educated to all side of the issue and made my mind up as to what to do.

What I find most interesting is that there is no research on persons such as myself who do not take the meds, have high viral loads, low CD4’s and are fine. Are they afraid of finding the truth?

I harbor no grudges to anyone who wishes to take the HAART as that should be his or her right to do so or not to do so. I am only pointing out facts or history of this disease which cannot be ignored.

Everyone is entitled

In Response to: Faulty facts

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:16am (55 of 330)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But no one is entitled to report mistaken data as facts…………..

Of course. And that includes our saintly host the one and only Oprah who with her epidemiological expertise declared in the mid eighties on one of her “yack” shows that by 1990 some 20 % of Americans, 50 million or so, would be dead from the dreaded AIDS. I wonder what pearls of wisdom she will have for those hapless souls with the phony HIV monkey on their backs this time around?

HIV & AIDS IN SOUTH AFRICA

Posted by: modise3

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:34am (56 of 330)

although i have not seen the show yet i have read about it on the website. it is encouraging to hear magic johnson talk about being strong after so many years.

im living in south africa and we have a very high percentage of people living with the virus and the stigma attached to it is enormous.

I wish that 1 day the world will find it in their hearts to understand that HIV is a desease that can be managed and people and still leave long.

the problem is with our youth who does understand that the is HIV but still continue to get pregnant all the time.

believe that its men that needs to get the the most educated, i dont think that if a men can insist on wearing a condom a women will say no.

thanks again for the show i wish to see it aired one day

DO THE MATH

In Response to: Everyone is entitled

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:34am (57 of 330)

That is an excellent point. However, in fairness to Oprah and to most Americans, we have been mislead mainly by the CDC and NIH. For instance, my doctors are good people but like everyone else they believe what our governmental agencies tell them to be so and so do most of the patients.

It is when people who have this problem start to get educated to the facts. Then they see more and more that what we have been told does not add up. We are not a radical group, only seekers of the truth.

So in reality, people have always gotten sick, lived unhealthy lives, taken drugs etc. prior to the AIDS crises. Either they got better or they died. The only difference now is that we have some illusive virus that this can all be blamed on, instead in reality, the responsibility for one’s health lies with each person.

This new diagnosis is making us victims and victims seem to be more helpless and more influenced by others.

A monorhyme I wrote for Magic and Oprah this a.m.

Posted by: yesyoucan – SELF MATTERS includes YOU

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:54am (58 of 330)

THANKS for leading the way, Magic and Oprah, since y’all are so highly respected around the world.

AIDS CRUSADE DECADE

Now isn’t a time to evade

And it doesn’t help being afraid

We must unite as one in this crusade

So those in USA don’t feel betrayed

The fight against AIDS needs an upgrade

With an “one for all and all for one” effort made

Together we can achieve an EXCELLENT grade

Reaching out in an AIDS CRUSADE BRIGADE

Being safe needs to be practiced not just cliched

To deny seriousness is a dangerous masquerade

Common sense is what cries to be portrayed

In our daily thoughts and actions displayed

So heed the call and join right now to aide

Your brothers and sisters in fight against AIDS

I hope that the importance of “your” help is conveyed

Faith with WORKS is what will answer what we’ve prayed

Fairness

In Response to: DO THE MATH

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:21am (59 of 330)

However, in fairness to Oprah…………

Nevertheless no1healthy, too many Americans regard her every word as the gospel and it should be incumbent on her along with the Bonos of the world and that paragon of virtue the “it depends on what you mean by ‘the’….” Billy Clinton and others of their ilk, to give air to both sides of the HIV/AIDS fiasco both skeptics as well as believers which, incidentally I doubt will happen tonight. The public are going to get the usual tripe about HIV to the delight of Big Pharma.

KEEP ON KEEPING ON

In Response to: Fairness

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:28am (60 of 330)

As an incurable optimist, we must keep on trying until our voices are heard, we must keep on being searchers of the truth or the wrongs of the world will never be righted.

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Question for Magic Johnson

Posted by: shlgoddard

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:00am (61 of 330)

A study found that 50% of all dogs given the HIV test are HIV positive. And yet the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention say that HIV can only be found in humans. So what exactly is the HIV test, testing for? Sheri

The New Faces of AIDS in America

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:02am (62 of 330)

To Oprah and Staff: Thank you all for another wonderful and informative show. All the guest’s stories were eye opening, but as a start the stories and experiences of the young women who were infected as teens and in their early twenties should be shown in every girls club, church, sorority, and junior and senior high schools in the nation. I hope these women have great supportive friends and relatives.

Kudos to the Reverend from Boston

Posted by: camille67

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:18am (63 of 330)

I applaud the Reverend who spoke out about the demographics of HIV/AIDS. I’d like to add a little something to his remarks, which is this: God forbid the White Government’s daughters of the USA were infected by a black man, the lynching rate in this country would explode!! Say it loud, Reverend!!! Also, I learned about the down-low. I always thought it was short for “let’s keep ‘it’ (ANYTHING!!) a secret between you and me”, like office gossip. I live in a cave!

Go Magic!

Posted by: igotchu – U Want Something! U Need Something!?

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:25am (64 of 330)

I am a big fan of Magic Johnson. When he was playing basketball, I did not keep up much with him because I was a Jordan fan. But as a young African-American business man, I look up to Magic Johnson and admire his dedication to rebuilding urban communities. He has an area theatre that I spend a lot of money at, so I feel like I know him. He is a great humanitarian and a very humble person and I hope to be as influential as him in the near future.

-Marcus

HIV in Chicago

Posted by: karolyndon

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:37am (65 of 330)

My name is Karolyn and I am a Communicable Disease Control Investigator in Chicago. Over the last few months I had to tell several your men under the ages of 19 that they were HIV positive. Ironically, one thing they all had in common was the misconception that Magic Johnson had “been cured because of his money”. It was a struggle explaining to them that non detectable and cured was not one in the same. It is my hope that Magic will stop promoting the drug companies for a while and support more education…be it basketball or HIV+, some people continue to viewed him as a role model. I am not saying that it is his responsibility for the entire HIV population, just the less fortunate and underserved. Clarity is important, along with denouncing the myths.

FACES OF AIDS

Posted by: curlylynn

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:52am (66 of 330)

While I applaud Oprah for continuing to show that anyone can contract HIV there are many faces of AIDS that are being forgotten. Those faces are the faces of 1000’s of hemophiliacs. My late husband was one of those faces that lost his battle to AIDS in 1992 and left behind me and his 16 year old son. We are still the faces of AIDS because we still carry the scars from living that terrible disease. AIDS is not just a disease the affects gays and drug addicts and people practicing unprotected sex, it is a disease that affects a group of people who are infected through blood products that were produced to save their lives. As a widow of a person with AIDS I strive daily to educate people on the fact that ANYONE can contract this disease and that it doesn’t just affect that person but that it affects entire families.

Eye Opener!!

Posted by: bastovall

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:54am (67 of 330)

Thank You Oprah so very much for educating us young african-americans on the epidemic of HIV/AIDS. The world hears the word AIDS or HIV and run but like always you got up close and personal with this disease that is so trully killing our nation and you open people eyes. You eduacated us and reminded us that it can be over came. And i personally thank you for helping the world understand that you can survive!!!! This is not a death ticket its a fight for your life ticket!!! And i encourage every one who’s facing this situation to do just that…FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE!!! Because it is exactly just that…YOUR LIFE and you own it!!

unasked!!

Posted by: dempersgj

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:06pm (68 of 330)

So this campaign is great,but how did magic get it if he was married and his wife is negative…maybe the truth of his infection will open other peoples eyes!!!!

Hellllloooo Where is Everyone!!!!

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:07pm (69 of 330)

Helloooooo, I know and respect everyone’s right to stay over on the Madonna/Dixie Chick’s board, but hey y’all stop the celebrity worship long enough to think about this; David and millions of other children are orphans because of HIV/AIDS. This disease is serious business and if we put as much emphasis on discussing and debating how to educate, protect ourselves and other women just maybe those with the power to increase all types of funding necessary to combat or at least stay the march of this thing will feel our heat and act.

drug experiments

Posted by: cullenstar

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:15pm (70 of 330)

Dear Mr. Johnson,

Did you know that the City of New York is taking young HIV-positive children away from their parents who can’t or won’t give them HIV medications, and locking them up in experimental drug testing centers, and then force-feeding them the HIV drugs? And if the children don’t comply, they surgically implant a “peg tube” in their stomachs and give them the drugs that way? I understand that the vast majority of these children are black and Hispanic.

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Reply2dempersqi(unasked!!)

In Response to: unasked!!

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:18pm (71 of 330)

As far as I remember it, it is known that Magic Johnson had not yet married Cookie when he contracted the disease. If my memory is correct they were still newlyweds and he had gone in for his routine physical and during the blood test the HIV was discovered. Magic then had to go home and tell his new bride who was pregnant that he had contracted HIV during his times of indulging in all the azz that was thrown his way. If you watched the show you would have heard the Ervin (Magic) and Cookie have a normal sex life, they use protection. Magic has reason to thank God every single day that that wonderful woman is in his life. She is a true example of the vows: “for better or worse, in sickness and in health, for as long as we both shall live”. If nothing else I hope some of these other men in a position to have azz of all types thrown their way stop and remember Ervin and Cookie.

2camille67

In Response to: Kudos to the Reverend from Boston

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:33pm (72 of 330)

You and I both were probably in that same cave for when I saw the first Oprah show with the guy speaking about the “down low” I had no idea that such a thing existed. I thought about the term “creeping” and thought the show was about cheating with other women. I thought that since gay men were not attracted to women in a sexual manner that they could not and did not want to have sex with women. I then went back in my mind and remembered all the men I knew who were effeminate yet married to women due to the pressures of church folks and I went hummm…,.

LIVING WITH HIV

Posted by: mzvanessar

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 12:47pm (73 of 330)

Finding out you have HIV and living with it is not a easy thing.But to hear a celebrity(Magic Johnson) and women share their story will help me to move forward in life with my head up.And to find a way to live a “normal life”.But that may be easier said than done.The more educated I am with HIV/AIDS the better off I will be.The things I heard in the past scared me.But medical technology has come a long way. Eazy-E’s (The rapper)death should have been a eye opener.HIV/AIDS does not discriminate with color nor financial status.HIV/AIDS is real and people need to stop thinking it won’t or can’t happen to them.That’s what I thought also.

Magic, a question . . .

Posted by: raygoddard

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:01pm (74 of 330)

Mr. Johnson,

In the United States, you are diagnosed with AIDS if you are HIV-positive, and either have one of the 30 different diseases on the AIDS list, or have a T-cell count below 200. In Canada, they don’t recognize a low T-cell count as a definition of AIDS. So you can have AIDS in the US if you’re HIV-positive and a T-cell count of 150, but you can move across the border into Canada and like magic, you no longer have AIDS.

And in Africa, you don’t even have to be HIV-positive to be diagnosed with AIDS. All you have to have is chronic diarrhea, cough, fever, and have lost more than 10% of your body weight – all symptoms of malnutrition and poverty.

How can the same disease – AIDS – be so different in different places? No other disease is like that, that I know of.

Ray

2mzvanessar

In Response to: LIVING WITH HIV

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:26pm (75 of 330)

Eazy-E’s cause of death was not widely discussed. Many of us did not know until some years after that he had passed from AIDS and that he had left behind a wife. If this thing had been properly handled his cause of death would have been all over BET, MTV, VH1, etc.

HIVFORLIFE

Posted by: hivforlife

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:29pm (76 of 330)

I am so thankful to Ms Oprah for addressing the HIV/AIDS pandemic. I am an African American woman age 32 and was recently diagnosed with the disease. I hope they talk not only of stopping the disease but how people are dealing with the disease after being affected. I am dealing but with the suppport I have it is a very hard life. I think what kills me is the secret that I keep, the secret that I have to keep. The prejudices that I hear everyday about the disease is horrible, even more so because it is addressing myself. I wrote a long letter to Ms Oprah asking her to address HIV/AIDS but I never sent it out, maybe my own fears exist, thinking that someone will find out, and my secret will be exposed. I want to talk to my best friends and tell them what I suffer with when they are not around but I am fearful, not of losing their friendship, but being looked at different from the rest of the world. My doctor told me that this is not a death sentence but it definately puts a damper on life. I am glad that I found out my status because knowing is better than not knowing and suddenly you get sick. In the past I was never sick but I had a significant other that was always “sick” and because I had no clue of the symptoms of HIV/AIDS I became infected. I was ignorant thinking I was the only one in his life, ignorance can hurt and nowadays it can kill. So if anyone gets anything from this message please don’t discriminate against anyone that has a disease or disorder. It is hard enough dealing with this on your own. Also, go get tested it will change your life but it will give you peace of mind knowing your status. A little advice after getting tested if you are positive, get counseling. I am struggling with the counseling concept, but having someone to listen to your fears and answer your questions will help make life easier. You wonder how this became a pandemic, it’s the secret that no one wants to talk about, and everyone knows how fast a secret can spread. Thanks again Ms Oprah and Magic Johnson for being voices that I know will get the word out.

Thanks Magic!

Posted by: jil13jil

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:35pm (77 of 330)

My oldest brother has just told our family that he had the virus at the same time Magic did. I mean like days apart. He is now deceased. At first I was upset, but not that I wished anything bad for Magic, but I didn’t know why my brother had died. I educated my self and found that since he was a crack user, that escalated the virus and it almost make the medicine he was taking of no use. So thank you magic for all the lives you are saving not only through what your are doing for the community, but for being an example. God is really working through you!

2momofrasca

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Posted by: mzvanessar

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:36pm (78 of 330)

No his death was not widely discussed.But I think his cause of death was known.But they were embarrased to share that with the public.Due the fact HIV/AIDS has always been linked to drug addicts and homosexuals.And he was a rapper so they are always stereotyped as being hardcore.

2cullenstar(drug experiments)

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Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:36pm (79 of 330)

To those of us who are clueless would you be willing to share more information? Why would the parent of a HIV positive child refuse to give their child what we are told are medications that can make their life better? Doesn’t the NHI or some of governmental agency give those who with HIV/AIDS all the medicines they need without consideration of ability or inability to pay?

2HIVFORLIFE

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Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:47pm (80 of 330)

So my dear, since you have not shared your status with your friends and have no counseling you are living this things alone? Why? How true are your friends if you cannot trust them and know that they will not abandon you because of your HIV status? If a friend came to me and stated that she/he was HIV positive I would view it as if my friend had cancer. I would not abandon a friend with cancer and I would not abandon a friend with HIV/AIDS. So how do you know what those you call friend will react? I think it might be much more harmful to your well being to live with this thing bottled up inside with the constant dread that your secret will slip out.

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2mzvanessar

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Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 1:57pm (81 of 330)

But being hardcore ain’t saving folks from being exposed to this disease. If hardcore ness was a filter this thing would not be running rampant through the black community. I think that our ignorance level is so high concerning this disease that we remain silent out of fear of a thing we have no real understanding of. I have no idea how Eazy-E contracted HIV/AIDS, but just think of how many of those young women on Oprah’s panel today may have been spared if there had been a more forceful push toward full education of how this thing could spread.

2HIVFORLIFE

In Response to: HIVFORLIFE

Posted by: mzvanessar

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 2:03pm (82 of 330)

I do understand how you feel.I feel the same way.Only a selected few people know of what is going on with me.Because some people today are uneducated.And will make you feel uncomfortable.If people turn their back on you.They weren’t your friends in the first place. But I have decided to go to a support group.So I can see how other people deal with this.And to get counseling.The counselor is a neutral person.Who will listen and not judge you.If not it is going to drive you crazy.Because it has really drove me crazy.And it time I do something

2HIVFORLIFE &MZVANESSAR

In Response to: 2HIVFORLIFE

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 2:49pm (83 of 330)

Yes, we are uneducated, but some of us are willing to learn and help in our own way, so help us to help you by educating us. I hope both of you find the support you desire and need. Maybe Oprah’s message board as introduced you to each other.

AIDS and economics

Posted by: uniquegem

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:25pm (84 of 330)

Bravo to Majic & Oprah for addressing this issue. Let’s not forget however that many with HIV do not have the financial resources that Majic does. It is much more difficult when one has to sustain themselves on 30,000/yr. or less. There needs to be more availibility to cheaper meds.

MOMOFRASCA

In Response to: 2HIVFORLIFE &MZVANESSAR

Posted by: mzvanessar

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:26pm (85 of 330)

My slate was blank before I found out I had HIV.Now listen and find out as much information as I can. I try to learn something new everyday.And hopefully pass that on to someone else.With Eazy-E and others people will always assume.Trying to get in tune with myself is all I am trying to do.And this message board has helped me to see I am not in this alone.

Some of you folks ain’t getting it

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:35pm (86 of 330)

HIV+ don’t mean a damn thing. It don’t mean you are sick, it don’t mean you are gonna get sick.

The question is, Are you sick or not?

Magic is not sick. That’s because he doesn’t take any of the toxic, dangerous, poison pimped by the pharmaceutical companies. He was NEVER sick.

On the other hand, Arthur Ashe died, because he got scared, listened to his doctors, and took too much of that AZT.

If you stay away from the so-called “drugs” you will be fine.

I’VE LOST 8 SIBLINGS TO AIDS

Posted by: panashe1

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:36pm (87 of 330)

It pains me that some people still don’t believe this disease exists. I’m an African woman residing in Toronto and I came from a family of 10. I have lost a total of 8 of my brothers and sisters during the past 10 years starting in 1995. In 1997 we buried 2 sisters. All my siblings ranged from the ages of 19 – 36. When this started happening, people thought it was a family curse (yes, some Africans believe that). My poor mother is now legally insane. I guess after burying almost all your children, that can happen to you. Please, people in America – if you’re not careful and informed, it could happen to you. Then again, maybe if it did happen in America, then they may find a cure.

It’ hard to believe this

Posted by: xxyz1123

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:39pm (88 of 330)

For these ladies to be telling Oprah that they never heard of HIV and that their school they went to growing up never discussed this issue is really hard for me to believe. I am 25, and their were girls younger on the show. I knew all about Aids and HIV and about safe sex, etc…and I grew up in a small town. I just think that they were irresponsible and don’t want to admit that fully.

Ask Someone More Appropriate

In Response to: 10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 2

Posted by: boxsparkle

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:43pm (89 of 330)

Though he may be educated, Mr. Johnson is not a medical professional. These questions would be better answered by a medical professional.

greetings

In Response to: unasked!!

Posted by: uniquegem

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:43pm (90 of 330)

At the time Magic was diagnosed he was not married to Cookie. He was single. They married after he found out and announced it to the world. Peace

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HIV Vaccine

Posted by: londongrl9

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:53pm (91 of 330)

I recently read an article about a great discovery. A couple scientists at the University if Western Ontario in London, ON Canada have just developped a vaccine for HIV!! They are waiting for a approval from the FDA in order to start testing on humans and they are almost done creating a cure! Wouldnt that be something. This could change the world!! Lets wish them luck!!

HEP C – People Dropping Like Flies

Posted by: nest94

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 3:57pm (92 of 330)

hey – great show today. I am a 55 year old woman with Hepatitus C and the I relate completely with the women on the show today. Hep C is a widely ignored problem with both the public and the medical industry. There isn’t enough information and treatment and people my age are dropping like flies. HepC depletes the immune system and also carries the same stima. I have had HepC for 30 years and was only diagnosed about 5 years ago. The Hep C prevents me from healing from other health problems. The meds seem similar, many daily pills and weekly shots. The MEDICAL industry needs to get with it, we need better care for Hep C. Thanks for listening. Robin

Question for Magic Johnson

Posted by: dctrader

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:03pm (93 of 330)

Mr. Johnson,

In every other infectious disease, for something to be said to be the cause of that disease, you have to find the thing you think is causing the disease in every case of that disease. It makes perfect sense that in every case of tuberculosis, you have to find the tuberculosis bacterium, or the person can’t have tuberculosis. Same thing with small pox, or measles. But there are literally thousands of cases of AIDS in people who test HIV negative. So how can HIV cause AIDS?

Hairs Stand Up on Oprah’s Head

Posted by: pickleme

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:05pm (94 of 330)

I am hoping that when Oprah commented that the hairs had just stood up on her head after the preacher spoke up about Black men infecting Black women that she and her producers need to rethink decisions made to glorify performers like Janet Jackson, Beyonce, et. al., on the show. Such performers (and I use the word loosely) demonstrate words, movements, and costumes that glorify sexuality, or in the term used on the show by the preacher, the “bootydeliciousness” that has contributed to HIV among heterosexual women. I sincerely hope that Oprah and her producers will consider the message when next they think about showcasing such guests. This country does not need any more booty shaking on TV.

Why the Black community is suffering

Posted by: mortonbc

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:07pm (95 of 330)

Reverend Eugene Rivers touched on part of the reason HIV/AIDS is spreading so quickly, so rampantly throughout the Black community. We have allowed a subculture to become mainstream and it’s not a positive subculture. We have embraced the underclass of drug dealing, gang-banging, over-sexed gangsta rap to be placed on a pedastal.

My personal opinion is that it really boils down to the psychological and emotional scars passed down, generation to generation, in the Black community. We have not learned how to deal with stress and have not learned how to love ourselves and finally, to love and embrace our brothers and sisters. Instead, we run looking for love in all wrong the wrong places because we don’t know how to feel good about being Black. We look to drugs, alcohol, gangs and sex to feel accepted. Many people run to each other for sex to feel accepted. Often times this sex is unprotected because in a twisted pointed of view, by a man who longs to feel loved, unprotected sex is the highest form of sexual acceptance. Sure, it sounds crazy to some, but if you were the one that felt unloved, unwanted, thrown away….you might find yourself doing the same. The point is not to judge, but to determine how can we make this change in our culture? How can we begin to teach our children to love themselves and not be swayed by the “in-crowd” and corporate advertising. Only when we learn to love and accept ourselves, can we heal and mend our broken community.

HEP C – People Dropping Like Flies

Posted by: nest94

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:11pm (96 of 330)

hey – great show today. I am a 55 year old woman with Hepatitus C and the I relate completely with the women on the show today. Hep C is a widely ignored problem with both the public and the medical industry. There isn’t enough information and treatment and people my age are dropping like flies. HepC depletes the immune system and also carries the same stima. I have had HepC for 30 years and was only diagnosed about 5 years ago. The Hep C prevents me from healing from other health problems. The meds seem similar, many daily pills and weekly shots. The MEDICAL industry needs to get with it, we need better care for Hep C. Thanks for listening. Robin

AIDS

Posted by: corrie03rn

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:14pm (97 of 330)

Just wanted to commend the 6 women on today’s show. What great courage they showed in telling their stories. I am a nurse in SC where the HIV population is rapidly growing. I work on a postpartum unit where women are finding out their positive HIV status because they were tested at prenatal visits. Education is such a key in this disease. We have had several cases where the women have decided not to inform their partners or their families. This just makes the disease spread that much more. To those women on the show today, I am so proud of you for getting your stories out and showing the world there is no “face” to HIV. Who would have picked any of those woman out of a crowd and guessed they were positive. To all the young woman out there, get tested!!!!

Addressing The Down Low

Posted by: ewrizza23

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:15pm (98 of 330)

I watched the show today and I have to say that DL or down low black dudes with girlfriends and wives are a bigger thing than anyone could imagine. First of all, the majority of black guys that are DL either are professional athletes, entertainers, or people in the public eye. Thats one section of them, another section are guys that have always been the one with the most girls and want something new but quiet and men can keep secrets better than anyone. If you look on alot of the gay websites especially the ones that african american men can be found, a good 60 percent of the members are DL, bi, or married. Aol even has chat rooms dedicated to men that are married and bi curious. You can also find sections on bare backing, which means no protection used. In Atlanta, DC, NY and especially Boston, more and more men are having private sex parties where a group sometimes as many as 30 so called straight guys get together to have sex, then go home to their girlfriends or wives. Its crazy man. I, myself was bi-curious and explored but always safely. Not to mention that I’m a single black man and don’t have to lie to a woman about where I been or whatever. I have more info for the curious.

A VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGE

Posted by: collenw – Every day a new day

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:18pm (99 of 330)

Thanks for doing this show. I am in awe of your women guests who are HIV positive and willing to do a national show and forego anonymity. Magic Johnson is also very wonderful for being willing to come on as an athlete and a man. His wife also deserves our admiration and respect. I am Catholic. I have a young daughter. I hope I am teaching her everyday about respect for herself and her body. My first choice is for her to be abstinent from sex until she is married. That’s what I am teaching her. But I am also teaching her responsibility for whatever actions she chooses. Obviously, parents can set an example, and teach children their values. But ultimately teenagers and young adults will make their own choices. I will insist if my daughter as a teenager decides to have premarital sex, that she use birth control and condoms as protection against disease. I will insist she protect herself. I will stress that these are not 100% foolproof. I will also stress that this is most definitely not my choice for her and as far as I am concerned teenagers are not old enough emotionally to have sex even if they are physically capable. I will tell her when she is old enough-before she makes any decisions about having sex– about HIV, herpes and chlamydia, genital herpes and warts and other STD’s. I will tell her that many of these diseases could impact her even more heavily if she decides to have a baby at some point. Like passing these diseases on to your newborn, or being completely infertile and not being able to get pregnant. I will tell her sex is special and between two people in love and married as far as I am concerned. I believe gay adults should be able to get married. I will tell her I disagree with living with a member of the opposite sex or same sex for gays before marriage, and what I know about single motherhood and abortion secondhand from friends and family. Then as now I will pray about her choices and mine.

AIDS IN THE US

Posted by: krmdaniels

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:24pm (100 of 330)

I am so happy to see someone taking a stand for our african american/hispanic population with the HIV/Aids epidemic. We need more shows like this along with education because it is not only the adults but our youth that are falling prey to this disease. Thank you Mr & Mrs. Magic Johnson, thank you Oprah.

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Most sincere condolences.

In Response to: Magic Johnson on AIDS in America

Posted by: 1j0sephine

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:26pm (101 of 330)

I am so sorry for the loss of your daughter. Your message is VERY important, and especially your point about the difficulties of handling the meds and the disease for younger people. I hope your other children bring you love and comfort. I will pray for you. Keep healthy, they need you. Love from Canada.

Promote marriage as a form of prevention!

Posted by: boxsparkle

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:28pm (102 of 330)

I was happy that this topic was presented; it is timely and appropriate. Pertaining to the question as to why the pandemic is hitting Black America so hard, I agreed with the Reverend that promiscuity is a BIG issue, and I was disappointed that no one focused in on the fact that, compared to other races, statistics show that the percentage of Black marriages in America (which is a good indicator of monogamy) is low. This is not the same issue as promiscuity. The majority of us are aware that less than 50% of Black women are married, and a contributing factor, which was mentioned, is the unavailability of Black men- due to whatever circumstance. I believe that the promotion of marriage and the importance of family has been and still is too often overlooked. It should be added to our agenda in an effort to decrease risk factors (including promiscuity) for infection in Black America, specifically Black women. No disrespect to the Reverend guest who spoke, but it was disappointing to me that he did not list Black marriage stats as a reason. I have taken part in discussions with other Black women where we agree that marriage is not being promoted as priority (if at all)in church service, and if the young people don’t see or hear of it at home or in music videos or in their neighborhoods…it should at least be taught in church, and it could be incorporated into the push for HIV/AIDS prevention.

Thank you

Posted by: sgw519

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:38pm (103 of 330)

Thank you for addressing this problem today. I am a heterosexual woman, living with HIV that was a gift from my exhusband. I recently moved to the south and find it more difficult to disclose to anyone here. I moved from California where my status was not a secret to anyone I new. I am blessed to have a man, that is negative, that loves me regardless of my status. Education is the key to informing ppl. Thanks again for sharing this with those interested in listening.

Courageous women

Posted by: porche39

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:44pm (104 of 330)

I want to; no I have to say that I have never been so proud of a group of women in my life. These six women are so PROFOUND, LIFE-CHANGING, BRAVE, and GRACIOUS to share their story. I am so proud to be a woman today. It brings tears to my eyes. I would love to personally thank them, is there a way to get a card to them?

11/7/91 was my 15th bday……

Posted by: msyanie

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:44pm (105 of 330)

was so shocked and saddened by my favorite basketball player of all times having contracted HIV. it was hard for me to process and even harder for me to believe that his pregnant wife Cookie was negative. I admit to being an ignorant teen. When i was 20 years old and 3 months pregnant with my first child my unborn child’s father was diagnosed with HIV. Even though I just received a negative test result I was teriffied throughout my entire pregnancy. My son is now 9 years old both he and I are free of the disease. Which was only the grace that God had on my life. As for my son’s father he is still living with HIV without medication. I just want to thank the Johnson’s for their openness and they opened a young ninth graders mind and I began to do reports on all STDS and HIV throughout my high school career. I am no longer with my son’s dad but when this situation arose never did it cross my mind to end my relationship with him because I loved him. I watched and helped him as much as I could emotionally because he refused to open up to anyone in his family or friends. Because of my experience I have made it my business to tell everyone I get a chance to, especially young teens and my peers. HIV has no certain look, which is why my son’s father has been able to keep it secret. I have issues with people that have it and don’t tell their partners. He told me but I was carrying his child. I actually unknowingly told his fiance in conversation thinking she new. That’s the kind of thing that needs to stop. It’s not right to play rushing roulette with someone’s life, WHETHER PROTECTION IS USED OR NOT, it has to be their choice.

2mzvanessar

In Response to: MOMOFRASCA

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 4:46pm (106 of 330)

My slate was blank too mzvanessar. Having been in a VA hospital during my illness I had a medical case manager that was an angel. She of her own accord also passed along information of a social nature to her clients. She told me about “Healing Weekends” for people living with HIV. Not knowing anyone with HIV but me, I attended. Best move I ever made. The weekends are my only reprieve from the isolation of the disease. I have never told a landlord of my HIV status because I want a place to live. I have never told a neighbor of my status because I want to swim in the pool. My daughter, mother and step father were the only ones who knew. After 2 years I told my brother and sister-in-law. They thought I must be dying and that is why I was telling them then. After 4 years I told my female cousins at a family reunion. I figure that took care of all the rest of the family.

I got a “Ryan White” case manager for the services that I might receive from them. I had applied for a VA pension while in the VA hospital and applied for Social Security when I got home. That took care of the financial ends. Apply sooner rather than later for SS, they have a waiting period.

Getting out among others with the virus is the best thing that ever happened. They share how they have managed to get by with the virus, the stigma and side effects from the meds and the virus.

My medical case manager also told me about a yearly HIV/AIDS conference in our state. I have attended every year and learned, learned, and learned again. The infected and service providers attend. A source of many service agencies and the latest in the medical end of the disease.

I suggest tapping into any support groups or agencies near you that may help you connect with services or others living with the virus. One agency for all in the US is the Association of People Living With Aids. They will assist all with finding whatever assistance we need.

I hope you watched the show. It answered many questions asked out here and showed some of the things posted here just aint so. Reach out. There is a hand somewhere reaching back.

Magic Johnson

Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:00pm (107 of 330)

Does Cookie have HIV ?

pasters coment on HIV

Posted by: avagale

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:00pm (108 of 330)

I just finished watching the show. It was very interesting. I too did not know a person could reinfect them selfs. I had a problem with the pasters coment that, black men should not infect black women. My instant thought was that it was ok to infect white women. That was a bad chose of words on his part. In South Dakota it is against the law too knowingly infect someone with HIV. There were two black men who knowingly did and ended up in prison.

Aids in Women

Posted by: mamasgirls

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:01pm (109 of 330)

I can on say those 6women were very brave to come foward as they did and I applauded them! but it,s a very serious topic and one that must be talked about I think we are becoming to complacient thinking it has gone away we must speak about it more and more as our young girls are starting sex at such and early age that by 20020 we will have a nation with HIV affected women. I thank you all very instersting but there is one question Oprah did not ask anyone is how much does it cost each of you I ask because they say for just $100 in Africa it can buy medicine for a year is that true in the United States

I Know First Hand

Posted by: cindig1

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:01pm (110 of 330)

Thank you Oprah and guests for today’s show. I am a white, heterosexual, 47 year old female living with HIV since the age of 42 and appreciated you getting the word out there again that this disease does not discriminate. Please continue to let the world know how important it is to KNOW YOUR STATUS. Thanks again!

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Still none the wiser

Posted by: murdachan

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:02pm (111 of 330)

While it is a wonderful thing for Mr. Johnson & his family, that he is doing so well ~ & that the women appearing on Oprah’s stage are apparently doing well, the majority of HIV/AIDS patients of my acquaintance, are not, & most did not. And, I was there, holding their hands at the end. Admittedly, I’m older, but, as a respiratory therapist, I am darn sure, I saw my first case of HIV/AIDS, in the very early-1970’s, in Miami, Fla. Not, diagnosed as such, the MD’s were totally unable to come up with a diagnosis, but, we had all, the now classic symptoms showing, before we lost the patient. It took years, before anyone really began looking closely, & putting the pieces together. It is, an individual disease ~ not everyone converts, not everyone has the same sypmtoms, not everyone gets the correct help, not everyone reacts the same, to the same drugs. People die. Families are broken, in heart, soul, & in, unfortunately, shame ~ Still, in this day & age. One of the young women stated, that she wasn’t “empowered”???? I believe? This is 2006, if this country, it’s churches, it’s parents ~ can not, will not, & DO NOT, instruct their children from a very young age, that the only safe sex, is abstinence, here, I am bowing to the churches & apparent morality, of this country. My personal preference, is to teach each & every child, that “NO GLOVE, NO LOVE”, YEP, that will drive most of you crazy. Do you realize, even the HPV infections would be dropped approximately, 70% or more [New England Journal of Medicine, June 22, 200] (btw, the same percentage claimed by the drug companies, for their expensive, around $360, 3 shot vaccine for only females ~ which sex do you think usually spreads HPV???, to a female vagina, with unprotected sex, because it does not “Feel Natural” to the poor things??) for our young women, just beginning their sexual activity, if, in all of their sexual encounters, they would only have relations, intercourse, oral or anal sex with protection provided by a condom, or vaginal dam? CDC, the WHO, most researchers, can’t give us a definitive answer, as to how & why HIV/AIDS arrived. We do know that unsafe sexual practices, bi,gay, or hetero~ transmit the diseases. Unless, America, wishes to advance to the route of Africa, missing an entire generation ~ we as a nation of parents, who love our children, need to stand up & start SCREAMING, at our government, our legislators, our doctors,

HIV

In Response to: pasters coment on HIV

Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:02pm (112 of 330)

I don’t think the Pastor meant to leave white woman out. He just quoted what he knew about his race.

Great show, but a religious gaff

Posted by: richjeff

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:02pm (113 of 330)

and I am supportive Oprah of your courageous guests and comments but SHOCKED that you did not challenge the clergyman on his partial answer. I sit weekly next to HIV bi and gay black men in a food kitchen who deal with their issues in the black church – those issues need addressed in that community, NOT answered with being criminalized. Peter Jennings addressed, you were today silent. This is not just a womans issue. This is a gender, an orientation issue and the black church cannot moralize only an abstinence and criminal solution. Gays and Bis should be at least communicated with and maybe we can get past this down low issue in their community and in the American society at large. Just a suggestion.

Still none the wiser (con’t)

Posted by: murdachan

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:07pm (114 of 330)

our schools. Things need to change. It’s been 30+ years, and unfortunately, the medical community, families, the world, at large, still are none the wiser.

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In Response to: pasters coment on HIV

Posted by: samk51

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:22pm (115 of 330)

I agree and also feel that it is sad that if people who were not black stepped in and said the comment that the black culture is adding to this epidemic that they would be labeled racist. This is not about color of skin….it is about Americans.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!

Posted by: friday025

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:24pm (116 of 330)

Oprah,

I wonder if you get tired of people telling you how much they appreciate all that you do. Well, I just want to thank you and your staff for putting together the show regarding HIV/AIDS today. I really appreciate you giving attention to the epidemic in the Black community. I am currently advocating for Black women’s right’s as a graduate student at Texas Women’s University. I appreciated when the Reverend (on your show) said that Black women are being “biologically” oppressed and relegated to the lowest class level in this country. Ahh…that statement was so profound! Because of your show I scheduled my own free HIV screening at my university (for the first time in my life). Sometimes we are so much denial–we don’t think it could happen to us. I admit it’s a scary process to get tested but it’s so empowering as well!

Thanks again Oprah!!!

-Tara

ruby

In Response to: Magic Johnson on AIDS in America

Posted by: mhiltibran

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:33pm (117 of 330)

I’m so sorry about your daughter. I also have HIV. I’m 41 now. I’ve had it for 21 years. My 15 year old daughter has it too. It is such a hard thing for her to deal with. We live in small town America…so, it’s a big secret. I don’t know what is worse. The illness itself, or the stigma attached to it. My deceased husband was a hemophiliac who got aids from his clotting factor. He gave it to me and 2 of our 3 kids. My son died when he was only 6 years old.

AIDS in America

Posted by: mrsbevv

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:33pm (118 of 330)

I watch you everyday. I don’t know what it was but todays show I wanted to watch it over again. Great job

A Friendly Reminder from Oprah.com

Posted by: HarpoBear – Community Producer – Oprah.com

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:36pm (119 of 330)

A friendly reminder…

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How can Oprah call him a role model

Posted by: cantinados

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:42pm (120 of 330)

Magic Johnson contracted aids because he was having extra marital affairs. What is admiral about that? I don’t want him being a role model to any children I know. That is like when people say Bill Clinton is a role model. He was having extra marital affairs in OUR White House w/ at least one young impressional intern. How is that a good role model.Give me a break. People have short memories!!!

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Why were my 20 Questions deleted?

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:42pm (121 of 330)

Neither of them contained links or URL’s, to the best of my recollection.

Did both of them go over 2500 characters?

Or is the information simply too damaging that it has to be censored??

Darin Brown

H. I. V.

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:56pm (122 of 330)

oprah must know hiv dosn’t cause aids

I Saw My Reflection

Posted by: candugh

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 5:58pm (123 of 330)

This summer I went to the Planned Parenthood for my yearly check up and they told me they were now able to offer an AIDS test would I be interested. I felt like I had to say yes as my ex-husband had been a cheater and I really should know for my sake and the sake of my children. Thank God, it was negative, but I could see myself in each of today’s ladies. They just wanted to be loved and trust the man that they thought loved them. What a terrible result of love and trust…my thoughts and prayers are with each of you.

I love you Oprah, but…

Posted by: jdgreene

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:06pm (124 of 330)

I hope this message is given the utmost importance. Let me preface by saying, I love Oprah, God knows I do; watch her everyday! But as an African-American, gay man I am continually disappointed by your portrails of black, gay men. Today’s show fueled the perception that black gay men are the primary cause of African-American women being infected with the HIV virus. While you classify these men as ‘down low,’ the fact is they are still men having sex with men: gay. Additionally, you continue to portray these men as African-American only. This deceitful act is NOT exclusive to black men. White men do it; Asian men; and Hispanic men, as well. For future shows on this topic, I hope you have a more balanced panel and offer solutions on what society, specifically the black community, can do to embrace these men, instead of enhancing the sterotype that they are ‘murderers’ as the reverend referred. I thank you for addressing this important issue but let’s not blame one group exclusively. Instead, let’s work together to find a cure. As the proverb states, it takes a village…

NEVER AGAIN

Posted by: shorty181

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:08pm (125 of 330)

I WILL NEVER AGAIN HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX AGAIN !!!! THHIS SHOW SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME. I’VE BEEN WITH THIS ONE MAN FOR YEARS AND I KNOW HE IS HAVING SEX WITH ONE OTHER PERSON, AM I CRAZY ? I HAVE BEEN TESTED AT LEAST 4XS AND THINK GOD IT CAME BACK NEG. WATCHING YOUR SHOW MADE ME SAY TO MYSELF WHAT ARE YOU DOING, IS THIS CHEATER WROTH YOUR LIFE ? HELL NO !

Thanks Oprah!!!

Posted by: mjs1986

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:16pm (126 of 330)

Even if the message is controversal, someone needs to start the conversation among today’s youth. I watched with my 12 year old daughter and discussed with her the dangers of unprotected sex and drugs. Which I feel is a leading cause of the rise in HIV/AIDS infection today. I also saw the Peter Jennings report. I did not agree with everything talked about in the report but I can apreciate the conversation. I just have a few points: 1. Drug Use- If we can ever get a handle on that HIV/AIDS rates would drop. 2.Prisons- I noticed during the Reagan years when they started locking up people HIV/AIDS rates went through the roof. When did addiction become a crime? but see point one. 3. EDUCATION- I am for abstanence teaching but lets tell them what to do if they don’t, like how to put on a condom. And to the minister that appeared on the show who said that Homosexual lifestyle and AIDS was not being dealt with in the Black church. I’m sorry but you lie. My minster is currently finishing up a 6 week sermon series dealing with just that and is planning to bring in doctors and other medical professionals to educate the congregation more indeptly about the subject. I live in Atlanta and attend a church of 9,000+ members so it is going on in the church. Maybe not every one as it should but I didn’t appreciate the comments made on the Peter Jenning’s special to that affect. Not all Christians are self rightous jerks and we do love our fellow man and want to see them do well. This is the point of life I feel anyway.

HIV

Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:21pm (127 of 330)

I lived and slept with a man that had AIDS for 10 years and I seen how he went down year after year because he would not take his meds and would not eat what he was supposed to I am Hiv negative and remarried and ever time I go to the doctor I get tested and I am always negative. I wished he would have taken care of himself but, he told me he just did not want to live with Aids

Jil1 3jil

In Response to: Thanks Magic!

Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:28pm (128 of 330)

My friend died of aids he did crack every day and that is what killed him

Sex for 10 years, no transmissions??

In Response to: HIV

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:30pm (129 of 330)

PAMELA — you say,

“lived and slept with a man that had AIDS for 10 years… I am Hiv negative and remarried and ever time I go to the doctor I get tested and I am always negative.”

THIS DOES NOT MAKE YOU FOR JUST A SECOND QUESTION THE SEXUAL TRANSMISSION OF HIV OR AIDS???

Wake up.

not all can afford

Posted by: stevenreno

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:33pm (130 of 330)

I may babble so hang in there..my lover died of aids 11 years ago. Right before the cocktail drugs. I think its all fine and dandy to tell people to get tested, but if the drugs are not availble to them, because of the cost, then i dont think i would want to know. I am hiv negative, but i know the PANIC i went through waiting for the results..all the different senarios that i went through. so its easy if you have tons of money to say…you must know your status…really think about that for somone who will be living with it and cant afford the drugs to help them….easier said then done. thank you

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Lee Evans on AIDS

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:34pm (131 of 330)

I have heard a rumour that if you do a google search on “Lee Evans AIDS” you will get some very interesting links at the top, including Lee Evans commenting on his views of the racism behind HIV/AIDS in both the US and Africa.

Also, question for Magic: Is your mom positive?

I have also heard a rumour that if you do a Google search on “momispositivetoo” you will find an interesting read…

hiv

In Response to: Faulty facts

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:37pm (132 of 330)

Do you take the azt type meds.for aids or do you treat your so called aids related diseases ? Everyone pushes there product. I’m just looking for the truth.

shaft

In Response to: Sex for 10 years, no transmissions??

Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:40pm (133 of 330)

I never had sex with him I said slept listen to what u read thank u

you’re joking, right

In Response to: shaft

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:46pm (134 of 330)

Go up to 100 people ask them what

“I lived and slept with someone for 10 years” means

geez…

yes

In Response to: I love you Oprah, but…

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:50pm (135 of 330)

I notesed the sterotyping. hiv aids dose not exest. get off the drugs. drink more water, with salt. eat raw foods only. fruts veggies. raw milk,raw fish,raw beef.

anal sex

Posted by: zglory

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:54pm (136 of 330)

It was my understanding from a physician that women could only be infected by the virus through anal sex since the vagina has many epitherial layers of protection against viruses. Yet, again no mention of anal sex was discussed. Does anyone know whether the virus has mutated enough to pass the protective system of the vagina?

NOT A SEXUAL DISEASE

In Response to: you’re joking, right

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:54pm (137 of 330)

My spouse and I have had sex for over 8 years without fear and one of us is HIV+ and the other is HIV-. The reason being is that AIDS is caused by a person having a severe immune deficiency due to various reasons. Each persons immune system is different and immunity cannot be passed to another person anymore than one can pass a toothache to another person. Immunity, whether it is great or poor, is earned by each individual by his or her personal health habits and life-styles.

I love you Oprah, but…

Posted by: jdgreene

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:54pm (138 of 330)

I hope this message is given the utmost importance. Let me preface by saying, I love Oprah, God knows I do; watch her everyday! But as an African-American, gay man I am continually disappointed by your portrails of black, gay men. Today’s show fueled the perception that black gay men are the primary cause of African-American women being infected with the HIV virus. While you classify these men as ‘down low,’ the fact is they are still men having sex with men: gay. Additionally, you continue to portray these men as African-American only. This deceitful act is NOT exclusive to black men. White men do it; Asian men; and Hispanic men, as well. For future shows on this topic, I hope you have a more balanced panel and offer solutions on what society, specifically the black community, can do to embrace these men, instead of enhancing the sterotype that they are ‘murderers’ as the reverend referred. I thank you for addressing this important issue but let’s not blame one group exclusively. Instead, let’s work together to find a cure. As the proverb states, it takes a village…

What a farce

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 6:55pm (139 of 330)

This Magic Johnson show was pathetic. An unmitigated insult to the intelligence of non-white people everywhere. Oprah, you need to do some serious home work before you go spouting off about HIV/AIDS again. I suggest you start with President Mbeki of South Africa.

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In Response to: yes

Posted by: samk51

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:06pm (140 of 330)

you scare me

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hiv awareness in canada

Posted by: rosevox

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:06pm (141 of 330)

HIV/AIDS is fast becoming the fastest killer of the aboriginal population in Canada. People in outlying isolated communities need help and must recieve education in order to prevent, treat and live with HIV/AIDS Sometimes I think the whole world has forgotten about our people and the imminent threat and fallout of the continued genocide that we live with daily. Did you know the UN and the Geneva convention determined that the state most first nations persons live in right here in canada, (the 10th richest nation on earth!),is well below poverty level and infact comparable to 3rd world standards. Oprah please make our plight and the issues my people face every day known to the world! I don’t think anyone else has the guts to talk about this. Please help any way you can.

All respect – Rose Siccama

Need More Information

Posted by: katmcap

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:21pm (142 of 330)

I wish today’s show gave more information on the symptoms associated with HIV. What caused the women on today’s show to go and get a HIV test to begin with. Was there any one symptom that made them think to have the test done? Another words extreme fatigue or infections that would not go away? How did Magic Johnson know other than he was promiscuous? Does anyone know if you can contract the disease through oral sex? One woman on the show stated that there was improper condom use what does that mean? I had a hard time finding a center that provides HIV testing on this sight today? I think they should have provided a list of centers in every state. Does anyone know where you can find a HIV testing center in Colorado?

symptoms

Posted by: flowbee35

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:31pm (143 of 330)

One of the HIV pos ladies said something about having numerous medical problems that called for MRI, Spinal Tap etc…in doctors trying to find out what was wrong with her. I missed the first part of her speaking…What was she saying were her symptoms that sent her to the doctors in the first place?

Medicine today

In Response to: 10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 2

Posted by: 1j0sephine

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:32pm (144 of 330)

We don’t know the exact mechanism of how MS treatments really fight this disease, yet we know enough medically speaking to know these treatments help. People with MS take their treatments without knowing the exact mechanism. This is how medicine evolves. Step by step. Same thing for AIDS. We take all we know and apply it looking at results in human beings. Studies are great, but they are not divine truth. They are hints not always the full answer. Don’t let funny scientific juggling with facts blurr your vision: aids is here. People who have it need drugs. In the past, patients who did not have access to today’s cocktail died much sooner. THIS is evidence that we are moving forward in the fight of this terrible disease.

What do I take?

In Response to: hiv

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:36pm (145 of 330)

Nice of you to mention AZT. It was the first drug that helped suppress the HIV virus. During the early days of AZT use it was given in what would now be considered “massive” doses. I have met people that “survived” the AZT drug trials. They speak of it like it is some kind of inside joke.

Today triple drug therapy (cocktail to most) is the treatment of choice.

When I had PCP they mainlined antibiotics for it and told me I should start HIV meds for the HIV. I agreed to it and got started on a regimen of Combivir and Viracept. Combivir is a combination of AZT and Epivir (sp?). Triple drug therapy. When I had the worst herpes out break of my life (and the first in several years) while in the hospital, they gave me a drug for that.

So the answer to your question is, my doctors have always suggested treating the opportunistic infections that occur along with treatment for the HIV virus. I have not missed a dose of my “cocktail” and have been on the same one since September 1999.

I have met a person that has to change drugs every 6 months due to the onset of drug resistance. I hope you listened to Magic because he explained that drugs act differently in different people. This is not unique to HIV drugs.

I had a roomate at one Healing Weekend that was curled up in the fetal position in agony from taking his drugs. He said it happened everytime he took them. I later learned that it can take 6 to 9 months for our bodies to learn to accommodate a drug. Not a happy thought. I told my roomate he should get his doc to change his meds. How many did Magic say there are now? 26? Surely there must be a combination that will work for most everyone.

I push no ones product. I share my experiences and what has been shared with me. Take what you need and leave the rest. If something does or doesn’t work for you, pass it on. Ya never know when it might help someone.

Peace.

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In Response to: we need your help oprah

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:39pm (146 of 330)

believe oprah dose the best that she can.maybe after seeing the respose to the show she can do more before they come out with another bogus vacine.

Abstinence Only Programs in Public Schools

Posted by: lmquack

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:49pm (147 of 330)

I was glad to see that this issue was talked about on this show.I am shocked that Public Schools under the Federal Abstinence Only programs ignore the statistics on sexually transmitted illnesses and continue to not teach our young people about protection – we don’t have to worry about Africa – we will have our own crisis in this country in the near future. We are the greatest Country in the world and we have ignored and abandoned our own people and those in other Countries on this issue. We need Comprehensive Medically Accurate Health Education in our High Schools – and our Colleges. My hope is that the people of the United States will educate themselves on this deadly serious issue. I am a mother of two boys – one in High School and one in Middle School – My children attend the Seattle Public Schools – We have comprehensive medically accurate programs in our district – thank God

not terminal

In Response to: All I Ever Did Was Love a Man Sharon Allison-Ottey

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:49pm (148 of 330)

unless you take azt & do nothing to improve your health.

AZT not an “antiviral” and does not “suppress HIV”

In Response to: What do I take?

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 7:52pm (149 of 330)

“It was the first drug that helped suppress the HIV virus.”

Survey says, >.

First of all, the first trial of AZT conducted by Margaret Fischl was fradulent. Do a google search on “John Lauritsen Margaret Fischl AZT” or simply read Poison by Prescription by John Lauritsen.

Secondly, AZT cannot be an “antiviral” and cannot “suppress the HIV virus”. It is not triphosphorylated (converted to AZTTP) to sufficient degree to even have an effect on the reverse transcriptase enzyme.

Thank You Oprah!

Posted by: ginya02

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:01pm (150 of 330)

When my father suddenly passed away in 1999(not from AIDS) grief took a toll on both my heart and my body. I broke out with shingles, became depressed, developed bronchoitis which immediately turned into asthma which landed me in the emergency room with pneumonia all within a six month period. I was firmly told I would not be going anywhere. I had pneumocystis and was going to be admitted for at least for two weeks. I asked what pneumocystis was and that’s when my world came crashing in. Thank God for the assistance I received from the local Health Department I was able to track the I had contracted the virus from an ex-fiance who had died from AIDS two months after he broke off out engagement. That was in 1986. I had been carrying the virus all for 13 years. I honestly believed if I had been more informed that heterosexual women could contract the virus I would have been more causious, finance or not.

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Ryan White Care Act

Posted by: nurse622

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:07pm (151 of 330)

I am a nurse and a Ryan White Case Manager that provides medical care for hundreds of indigent HIV positive clients in rural Georgia and the need for more funding is greater than ever. Often, people with HIV have bigger problems than being HIV positive, some are homeless, drug addicted, and have children that have many needs that we lack the funding or resources to help with. These clients often go without basic needs such as electricity and dental care because we simply do not have the resources to help them all. Please write or call your local Senator, Congressman, etc. to ask for additional funding for our area, as our numbers are skyrocketing and our funds and resources are growing lesser each year.

firstblood

In Response to: Angel522

Posted by: angel522

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:08pm (152 of 330)

I’ve had more tests than the law should allow. I’ve come to terms with my status and my focus is on staying healthy. Of course, my daughter had my antibodies at birth which is the reason she had to be tested until she was two. Thank you for the information.

Thankfull to Oprah for disscussing AlDS

Posted by: daddylong

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:10pm (153 of 330)

I am so gratefull to Oprah, because there are so many of us who are not talking about AIDS and we all need to know and understand,so we can help ourself and our children.I am gratefull to Magic Johnson. I think we should get more information on Aids. I had a doctor tell me that AIDS, is down in our community, and it’s not hard to live with. Iwas shocked ,and I could’nt believe a doctor was telling me this. We has parents and as a people have to be so carefull of the wrong message out there. Remember their are still hateful people out in the world. I have heard of people who feel that if,Ihave AIDS,then they will share the AIDS. I worry about all the lies that are being told,and that is why,I am so gratefull to Oprah and Magic Johnson for talking and Oprah finding out more information, like once you get HIV.You can become infected again with a new strain of AIDS. I also was told that it’s easyer for a man to get AIDS from a woman,then a woman getting AIDS from a man. I realize,that’s just an excuss to put all the blame on women or use the other person ass a escape goat !

incorrect information

In Response to: anal sex

Posted by: murdachan

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:19pm (154 of 330)

Be advised, any orifice, with a mucous membrane, can allow transmission. Any “aggressive” sex, can cause tearing / sluffing of the mucous membrane. That provides a point of entry for the virus. In some cases, even direct absorption, through the mucous membrane that lines the vagina, may occur. Please check the AIDS Partnership web site for more information.

My experience.

In Response to: AZT not an “antiviral” and does not “suppress HIV”

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:19pm (155 of 330)

OK here we go. I was put on triple drug therapy like I said. I was transfered to another hospital after 2 weeks in the first hospital. The second hospital’s pharmacy messed up my drugs and instead of receiving Combivir was giving me straight Epivir. My viral load remained above 500,000. Upon returning home I was given Combivir again. Combivir is Epivir and AZT. After 1 month of my original cocktail, my viral load went down to the 800 something level. My doc who is THE leading HIV doc in his area was astounded. The only difference in that month was AZT.

That is my experience. And of course it is documented in my medical records. Take what you need and leave the rest.

Layman says, your words are meanlingless to me in light of my personal experience.

We are living long enough to suffer from the drugs that are keeping us alive now. Don’t ya think they are working to over come that? Do you know ANY perfect medicine? Do you think you are speaking to the right audience? My life is better due to AZT. Understand? Thank you for dropping by.

Peace, out.

Yikes

Posted by: mikeman25

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:22pm (156 of 330)

I just had to skake my head as I listened to the women with AIDS. How, after all these years can people be so ignorant about the disease! How many have to die before people wake up!

I Live with an HIV partner!

Posted by: miamiamy

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:24pm (157 of 330)

We gave blood 2 years ago 2 weeks later they called to tell him he was HIV possitive. Now just last week Ryan White Health Care wants to drop him because he is self employed. He does take home that much and has a 2 year old son. His Med’s are about $1400.00 a month!(That is our mortgage payment.) There has to be a better way for people to live with HIV in this in this world. It’s hard enough to live without HIV, now try to be 31 raising a family with HIV! It could be you too.

So tired of people passing the blame

Posted by: krystalhue

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:29pm (158 of 330)

I’m so tired of everyone passing the blame of everything bad that happens. When the Reverend ? started in on the black community and the culture that makes HIV/AIDs so prevelant there, I was like, finally, someone making sense! Then he goes on to say that it’s Washingtons job to somehow come in and fix the problem. And then that it’s because it’s happening in black community that that is why ‘nothing is being done’. Disgusting! How can an otherwise intelligent man think that? It is that attitude and no other that makes black america flounder around –it’s never “what’s wrong with our ‘culture'” it’s always “what’s wrong with how we’re being treated and opressed.” When Bill Cosby dared to speak out a few years ago about that subject he was publicly attacked and belittled. Nothing will change in the black community until responiblity is accepted for how they act now, in 2006, not what happened 50 or 150 years ago. So why doesn’t the Reverand ? hold HIV prevention classes at his church, preach a sermon on Sunday about NOT having sex outside of marriage. This problem isn’t going to be solved by passing out more condoms, it’s only going to be solved by changing people’s attitudes about sex: black people and white people, gay and straight, here and in Africa. You cannot address AIDS without addressing the culture of promiscuity in our society and around the world. You have to stop having abstinence be a bad word.

Don’t be so harsh to others!

In Response to: Yikes

Posted by: daddylong

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:40pm (159 of 330)

Don’t be so judmental of others,you don’t know if you will be next on the list, so be carefull,even thow you maybe doing the right thing,it does’nt mean your partner is being carefull or truefull and every one who sleep with someone is partially sleeping with someone else. I don’t want you are anyone to get such a horrible sickness, but it could happen to anyone of us.

Undocumented voices with HIV

Posted by: akanway

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:58pm (160 of 330)

I speak on behalf of all undocumented aliens who live in America today with HIV. This is the biggest situation of uncertainty under which to thrive in America. It is also a stressful situation to deal with since there has always been that threat of a known HIV diagnosis affecting your alien registration status. As a result of this, millions of HIV infected aliens have been very reluctant to come out of the closet to persue a permanent resident status for fear that they might be asked to go back to their respective home countries. Most of these HIV positive aliens like me come from Africa, where ‘stigma’ is a big thing, and at the same time can not return to their home country for fear of of dying and loosing acsess to the medications they are so lucky to get and be able to suvive with here. I was diagnosed with HIV in 2003 and I contracted it from a boy friend of three years whom I trusted, and being an African woman I had been raised to be submisive to my man. Insisting on a comdom was an insult to my partner irrespective of whether he was African or American. A conflict in certain cultural differences is going to bring about an uncontroled progression in HIV for a very long time. I feel there should be more work shops to encourage undocumented aliens to be more forthcoming with their HIV diagnoses and to educate them that it’s okay to come out of the closet. The current illegal alien controversy in the country today is a big hindrance to HIV treatment and control, people in this undocumented community are still and will still keep having unprotected sex with African or American people, and will just not get tested because they feel they are much more at peace in their minds if they do not know. Lack of medical insurance is one good reason why undocumented aliens will not check for their HIV status, because if they do come out ‘positive’ they will not be able to afford medical treatment for themselves. HIV is not alone here, there is HPV and a whole different type of STD’s to ponder over, and I keep asking my self how safe we still are from superinfections and STD’s.I do hope my mesage touches someones heart. Magic Johnson has done a great job and I commend him for that, I also do congratulate the new voices of AIDS, I think they are the most elegant women you can find, and I am an Elegant woman myself. I am an ‘overstayer undocumented alien’ and I do exist as a ‘satistic’ for now, and I can not have a ‘face’ and a ‘voice’yet. akanway.

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Surviving an AIDS Relationship/Marriage 20 years

Posted by: lasthomas

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:07pm (161 of 330)

Thank you so much for this SHOW today.

I have written a book about it Surviving!!! Thank you sooooooo much. The book should be released the first of the year.

Phases/ Every 5 years has been a phase for my husband and I. We seem to manage.

I thank everyone for listening. Thank you

Eye Opener

Posted by: piglet60

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:08pm (162 of 330)

Oprah, I am glad you aired this show, because many of our youth don’t believe HIV or AIDS affect them. I have two daughters and I preach safe sex. Just say no doesn’t work when their hormones are developing. What some of those ladies said was on the money, because at 46 yrs of age I was only told to not get pregnant, not to protect yourself from diseases. I think if woman decide to have sex then they need to protect themselves and get checked often. Also,don’t let anyone persuade them into doing something that is going to harm them in the long run. I, also didn’t know that there was more then one strand of HIV and that you can be effected more than once. It was overwhelming to hear how much medicine those women have to take daily and what they have do deal with other than the normal womanly issues. I think there needs to be a documentary on this subject. Thank again for enlighting us all.

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In Response to: 2cullenstar(drug experiments)

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:14pm (163 of 330)

a 5 min. search on the net will tell you.

Acrostic I wrote tonight to honor Oprah and Magic

Posted by: yesyoucan – SELF MATTERS includes YOU

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:31pm (164 of 330)

STANDING UP AGAINST AIDS

With Magic and Oprah

S tanding up to keep the promise

T O STOP AIDS by everyone being tested

A rming ourselves with knowledge

N ever neglecting to practice being safe

D eveloping lifelong respect for self and others

W inning by keeping the promise to stop AIDS

I ntelligent choices to last a life time

T ogether working “one for all and all for one”

H elping our brothers and sisters to understand

M agic is leading the way in United States

A mericans with Oprah unite in Magic’s fight to stop AIDS

G ive Magic and his wife, Cookie, a hug

I nterlock hand in hand across USA and around world

C ourageously join Magic’s team to stand up against AIDS

real tragedy is…

In Response to: Undocumented voices with HIV

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:40pm (165 of 330)

” Undocumented voices with HIV Posted by: akanway Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 8:58pm (171 of 179)

I speak on behalf of all undocumented aliens who live in America today with HIV. This is the biggest situation of uncertainty under which to thrive in America. It is also a stressful situation to deal with since there has always been that threat of a known HIV diagnosis affecting your alien registration status. As a result of this, millions of HIV infected aliens have been very reluctant to come out of the closet to persue a permanent resident status for fear that they might be asked to go back to their respective home countries.”

“akanway” —

I sympathize, however, the real tragedy is that alien registration status can be denied based upon a test that has never been standardised, has never proved reproducible, and has never been proved against the “gold standard” of virus isolation.

Do a google search on “Is Western Blot Proof of HIV Infection 1993″…

Oh dear God!

In Response to: HIV Vaccine

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:41pm (166 of 330)

Hopefully BEFORE this Happens LONDON a MIRACLE WIll HAPPEN SO MASS DEPOPULATION will NOT Occur…

COURAGE

Posted by: jimmc443

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:51pm (167 of 330)

I applaud the 6 women on todays show for having the courage to talk about the fact they are HIV positive. I hope that it educates more people about this disease

Message to Oprah

Posted by: bookworm20

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:58pm (168 of 330)

Please do a show with Michael J. Fox and educate the public about Parkinson’s Disease. I am appalled at recent comments made by a drug addict names Rush Limbaugh and the damage such an individual can do to the understanding of a disease such as Parkinson’s Disease. My mother has it, and it is a disease that few poeple understand, yet the statistics are staggering and America does not realize that in the next decade 1 out of every 50 people will have the beginnings of this disease and there is no cure. It affects everyone differently and needs specific customization of meds and constant adjustments to exist from day to day.

I am shocked at the naivete of people. While I understnd that there are many diseases on this planet, the impact of Parkinson’s Disease is soon going to be felt across the nation and the financial and emotional toll it takes on patients and caregivers is staggering. I know, I am a full time caregiver to my mother and have given up practically every aspect of my life to take care of her including a lucrative job.

Oprah, I beg you to please do something to educate the public about it. Thank you.

the same docter

In Response to: I’VE LOST 8 SIBLINGS TO AIDS

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 9:59pm (169 of 330)

Aids exists but what causes it & is it curable? Please tell me ,what did your siblings eat & what meds were they on.

Art Imitates Life

Posted by: newfiction

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:07pm (170 of 330)

After watching today’s Opraw show with Magic Johnson and Cookie along with the six ladies living with HIV, I realize I need to do more. Five years ago, I wrote a novel and at that time it wasn’t my intention for my main character to be living with HIV, but as I wrote the book her status was revealed in a shocking matter, in a manner in which I fought and wanted to change but couldn’t and so at the end of the book I made it a misdiagnosis. However, that was in my self-published version. Two years later I was fortunate enough for Penguin to re-release the novel under the name If It Ain’t One thing with a sequel It’s Like That. My editor strongly suggested that I consider changing the ending so that my main character wasn’t misdiagnosed and have her living with the disease. That was the best and most important revision I have ever made to a book. Now, I just have to learn how to tell people what the book is about because not only are there people living with the disease who may want to read an uplifting story that provides hope. There are others who need to embrace those who are and also need things; books, movies and more to spark conversations about HIV and AIDS. When I promote my books, I am afraid to tell readers that the central theme is about a woman living with HIV, much like some people living with HIV may be afraid to disclose their status. I felt if they knew they wouldn’t want to read it because so much of us are in denial and want an escape when reading fiction. My character Winona is living with HIV and is involved with a man who is not HIV positive. I am going to do more now to spread the word about my books so that people, particularly women and especially black women since it is hitting our community the hardest, become more exposed to the disease because art does imitate life in many ways. Thank you for this inspiring and very honest look at HIV.

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the raw milk diet

In Response to: HEP C – People Dropping Like Flies

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:10pm (171 of 330)

Diagnosed in 1990

Posted by: sagepho

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:11pm (172 of 330)

I was diagnosed in 1990. My first nephew was born only three months before. I was told that I had maybe six to nine months to live unless I took the medications that were offered. I worried that I would not see my nephew reach his first birthday. He gave me reason to fight. I wanted to watch him grow up. He’s going to be seventeen in January. This week, I bought him his first car. He doesn’t understand why I get teary eyed watching him do things like shave for the first time. I bought him his first razors and talked him through it. I didn’t do medications right away. I waited for years. Yes, years without doing any medications when I was told that I had so little time to live. I had faith in God which has only continued to grow.

I’m Negative/Married ,20 years and counting!!!

In Response to: unasked!!

Posted by: lasthomas

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:20pm (173 of 330)

The thing about AIDS is, How did you get it?—-My thing is, it’s here. What must the person do to live longer? That’s the FACT!!! Until we understand the fact . Some folk will have a prejudgemental of this illness.

couldn’t have said it better

In Response to: DO THE MATH

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:26pm (174 of 330)

Monetary-

In Response to: AIDS and economics

Posted by: lasthomas

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:34pm (175 of 330)

My husband (positive) and I (negative) have survived for 20 years. However, we have LOVE, not the money, but the strength to make it. When we begin to fight the beast, we stated to each, I’ don’t feel SORRY for you. We will live DAY by DAY!!! and ENJOY!!!

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In Response to: What do I take?

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:39pm (176 of 330)

don’t have aids but i have seen stess ,dehydration & diet afect my emune system. sulenium has worked very will for me in the past. last mouth i started a raw milk diet that worked even better.

says who

In Response to: Medicine today

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:49pm (177 of 330)

Cookie Should Have Known Better

In Response to: unasked!!

Posted by: ameeramac

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 10:50pm (178 of 330)

If you can get a hold of the Essence Magazine featuring Magic and Cookie, you will read how Cookie attempted to marry Magic twice and both times he left her at the alter.

You will also read how Cookie always knew that Magic was cheating on her, but decided that since she was “No. 1,” (hmph) it didn’t matter.

You will also read that upon the third marriage attempt, Magic once again attempted to back out of the marriage but Cookie said she knew she had to be strong for Magic, and decided to not “allow” him to ditch her AGAIN.

It was right after this that Magic was then I guess this is a perfect example of being careful what you ask for.

Magic also fathered a child while Cookie and he were in a relationship. It is a shame they were not honest about that, because many, many women make the same mistakes and run the same risks . . .

But I guess that’s another show.

Orphans in Clinical Drug Trials, Ignore this Oprah

In Response to: City of New York is opening up an “HIV Jail”

Posted by: kamileon

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:00pm (179 of 330)

Something along the same lines as the Bellevue Hospital proposal is the Incarnation Children’s Center in New York. This facility houses HIV positive orphans and children taken from their drug-abusing mothers. It is at this facility where they are forced to take these “wonderful” drugs. If non compliant, these children, ages 6 months to 13 years old or older, are then surgically fitted with a “g-tube” in their abdomen to make drug compliance easier. Some of these children have stated they don’t like taking the medicine because it makes them sick. Kids don’t make up stuff like that. Director Caroline Castro of ICC did not deny the fact drug trials were being done at the facility when interviewed by journalist Liam Scheff. The side effects of such drugs as AZT and Nevirapine can be debilitating and deadly; nonetheless, to have medical experiments resembling those of Nazi Germany – no exaggeration here – taking place in the United States today is nothing less than a wide-awake nightmare that should make any person with a beating heart violently sick to their stomach.

I am the new face of HIV….

In Response to: Women and HIV/AIDS

Posted by: itsmefawn – Designed by God that makes me special.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:05pm (180 of 330)

Well as the ladies on the show so eloquently stated and showed the face of HIV is not the stereotypical perception of someone who has HIV. I am a 33 year old educated black female and I also am HIV+. I was diagnosed in Nov 03, on a routine annual. I remember the day so clearly, my GYN asked did I want to have an HIV test and I was so flippant with my statement, “why not it is going to come back negative any how because I am drug and disease free”…boy was I shocked several weeks later when I got a call from my FORMER GYN who advised me I was HIV+ and so Kindly did it over the phone(sarcasm here). I almost passed out at work, screamed had a mental breakdown and peed my pants so bad I had to have my girlfriend help me home and get my job to give me a new chair. Mind you I worked in a very large Corporate office with an open cubicle, so of course I had to develop some absurd lie to my boss and co-workers about why I had now flipped out and lost my marbles at work.

Thank God for my Sister-friend who worked on the floor below me who immediately kicked plan emergency into action and was/is by myside through it all.

Initally I did feel my life was over! Nobody would want me, love me, marry me, etc..I felt I should find the nearest grave and just fall in!

I was a walking contradiction, I was teaching HIV/AIDs prevention at my church and in the community and I also had become a Red Cross Certified HIV/AIDs educator. Although, I too thought I was immune and above the disease since I was in a monogamous relationship with a Minister. I later found out that he himself had been diagnosed with HIV and chose not to tell me because he did not know how to tell me??????? Go figure that one…how about “I’d like to let you know I am HIV+?”

Well fast forward to 2006 and God has been more than wonderful to me. My Viral Load and T Cells have not progressed to where I have to take medication, so I am still not on meds. Also the Lord has blessed me with a fiance and Yes, I told him within a week of first meeting him.

Although, I am not on meds it does not mean that I do not experience effects of the virus. I have a very low iron count and I have really bad fatigue and exhaustion. I see those effects as the trade off to keep me remaining healthy as I possibly can be and to help others who cross my path to not have to same health challenge.

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In Response to: Increasing Your Immune System

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:06pm (181 of 330)

sulenium or even better raw milk.

raw food

In Response to: hiv awareness in canada

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:10pm (182 of 330)

right on

In Response to: NOT A SEXUAL DISEASE

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:14pm (183 of 330)

Iron count being low

In Response to: I am the new face of HIV….

Posted by: kamileon

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:20pm (184 of 330)

Fatigue and exhaustion is a symptom of low iron count and anemia. Maybe you might want to get more iron in your diet. Just a suggestion. Don’t start thinking that HIV is magically responsible for your every symptom. Remember, more iron.

HIV isn’t all about sex…….

Posted by: frogi1970

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:26pm (185 of 330)

Hello, My name is Melissa, I did enjoy the show today about magic & hiv, but it really upset me, that the show was totally based on the idea that hiv comes from unprotected sex, ok maybe drug use too. But it comes from another place how about Tattoo’s & older blood tranfussions. Boy, did the producers not do their homework or what? ps. speaking for experience….

the new face of hiv

Posted by: lakota65

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:28pm (186 of 330)

as the ladies on your show iam a 41 yr woman with hiv,i was diagnosed 5yrs a go.and my meds have gone from 9 differnt pills a day to just three.but oprah said prejudice isnt there any more yes it is from all walks of life,dr’dentist, to family members it’s there.if i could tell people that are afraid of hiv positive people is learn,educate yourself about this illnes i like to use the analogy to stupid people,if i had cancer or a heart condition god forbid,you would move heaven and earth to help me but because i have this you avoid me.to all the new patients with hiv,dont wast you time being mad at the world,and don’t ask why me all the time. i forgave my ex fiance who gave this to me my anger would only hurt me not him he died from his. and as for the why me people ask yourself why not me? god knows what you can handle and he must think iam a very strong person to fight this.ps i was told on the same day they buried my mom i couldn’t attend her funeral ,her passing had nothing to do with my having hiv i want to make that clear. when i was told i had hiv i hit my knees asking for help and he hasnt let me down yet.

More Iron…

In Response to: Iron count being low

Posted by: itsmefawn – Designed by God that makes me special.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:33pm (187 of 330)

My physician has advised me that my fatigue and exhaustion are a direct effect from a combination between my HIV and my low iron. I have an issue with Iron properly absorbing in my system. I have always had this issue…what I was saying was b/c of the virus it has increased the frequency that I have exhaustion and fatigue more so than I had prior to my diagnoses.

Thank you for your concern, however I am aware that the two(HIV and Low Iron) are co-related for my condition which may differ from anothers. The HIV has aggravated an issue that was already occuring and heightened to a point where I was only experiencing fatigue and exhaustion maybe once a week to where I have it almost 3 or 4 times a week.

More iron

In Response to: More Iron…

Posted by: kamileon

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:41pm (188 of 330)

Not to be rude to your case, or to be overly blatant in challenging the orthodoxy, but HIV lowering your iron count sounds like another trick thrown into the ever growing bag of HIV’s talents. Back in the day HIV killed CD4 cells…

water & raw milk

In Response to: I’m Negative/Married ,20 years and counting!!!

Posted by: 4470mike – I’m from Milwaukee.

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:45pm (189 of 330)

dehydration (8 cups of water per day) cooked foods prosesed foods

Thanks for show

Posted by: kjones7

Posted on: 10/26/2006 at 11:49pm (190 of 330)

I appreciate Oprah discussing HIV/AIDS and the 6 women who told their story. I would like to see more real-life discussions on STDs. It’s so important that we get drilled into our heads that STDs are more than a figment of the black and white text in a brochure. It was great to hear the comment on feeling “accepted” when a man wants to have sex with a woman he knows has an STD without using a condom. While I don’t have HIV, I do have an STD and have thought that was such a degree of acceptance. In reality, it’s stupidity on both’s part. My STD is from an unfaithful and now ex-husband. I should be more worried about protecting myself than worried whether my partner accepts my disease. Thanks to Oprah for bring realism to STDs and I so hope that there are more shows to come.

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Magic Johnson-HIV-AIDS Program

Posted by: jsecurity1

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:06am (191 of 330)

Dear Oprah: It is so good to watch your informative, responsibly-reported shows..Thanks… One question: I have heard from some sound medical sources that condoms DO help in prevention of transmission of many STD’s, but that the virus for HIV is very small, and can travel through many condoms, making them (or many of them) ineffective in the prevention of this STD. If this is sound information..(I did read it in more than one medical treatment of the subject)…then today’s show with the women discussing practicing “safe sex” with condoms was misleading. It gave the idea that it was “safe” to have sex, as long as you were using a condom…”safe” from many,but not ALL STD’s is the issue… It seemed OK to just talk about dating as if, of course, you were going to have sex….abstinence until a monogamous, long-term,committed relationship (i.e.-marriage)not even mentioned as a possible choice. A false sense of security for having sex, as long as you have a condom, was presented. I just hope the science of the safety of condoms preventing AIDS transmission was correct. sincerely, Robyn Kelly

I’m sorry for those who are sick; I’m scared

Posted by: plutoruns

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:09am (192 of 330)

I had to delete most of my message because I’m concerned about being anonymous.

The bottom line is that I was promiscuous in the past–now very committed and loyal in relationship for years.

The show scared me (because of my past) and I was going to get tested. But now reading about number of false positives makes me think that testing could easily be a bad thing. Could get stigma and not even really have the disease–medical science certainly has made plenty of mistakes in other areas in the past.

I would really like to see a show discussing the pros and cons of testing and whether the HIV tests are reliable.

Until I learn more, no test for me.

Are you serious???

In Response to: 10 questions for Magic Johnson – Part 2

Posted by: cjslovey

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:15am (193 of 330)

I am sure your points are valid, but I would suggest that maybe you take a look at HIV/AIDS in Africa. Thousands of people die daily in Africa from AIDS and the majority have never been on any medication.

Please remember medicine is not an infallable science but one that continues to evolve based on research findings and patient outcomes.

I think what I find most disturbing about your post is that people in the world will read it and wonder if there is some conspiracy regarding HIV/AIDS and thus alter their diligence to prevent contracting or spreading the virus.

Your post reminds me of a frontpage article that was reprinted in my local paper a few years ago from the Washington Post that attempted to deny there was such a thing as a “crackbaby”. I have been a nurse for 10 years and believe me I have seen newly diagnosed AIDS stage patients die within days of diagnosis and babies born withdrawing (tolerant to) crack.

Living With HIV

Posted by: bstitt

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:38am (194 of 330)

I found the message of todays show to be very instrumental in the education of HIV. Unfortunately there is some much more to say and so much more to do.

No one ever speaks of the horrors of getting treated for HIV. It is impossible for HIV infected individuals to acquire health insurance. The costs for medications are astronomical and next to impossible for the average person to pay for on their own. One big reason people refuse to get tested or to get their results is because of the effects the news will have on their ability to aquire or maintain health insurance.

Do the research

In Response to: Are you serious???

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:03am (195 of 330)

If you are in doubt about if his points are valid, then ask yourself this question, why have these critical points not been addressed.

Are you aware that a blood test is not required in Africa to make a diagnosis of AIDS, only 4 symptoms which mimick other diseases. Have you not wondered why the AIDS statistics in Africa are suppose to be 50 male and 50 female. Does this make logical sense to you that this virus knows what country it is in and which gender to attack?

Mr. Brown is only bringing up 20 of many inconsistencies. One needs to take time and do the homework in regards to AIDS. To be enlightened go to any Aids dissident or Aids rethinkers sites and there you will get both sides of the story and then you can make a better determination of what or who is right.

Re: I’m sorry for those who are sick; I’m scared

In Response to: I’m sorry for those who are sick; I’m scared

Posted by: edanmilton

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:37am (196 of 330)

Hi plutoruns.

The pros of getting tested, you’ll have a better idea of your status (even though it may not be 100% accurate, thus the reason why they re-test you if you tested positive initially). This way, you can protect yourself and the people around you, your family, your partner and whoever may care to know.

The cons of getting tested, none that I could think of……..

I agree

In Response to: Living With HIV

Posted by: edanmilton

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:54am (197 of 330)

I just started my new regimen called atripla (a combination of three drugs). I’m taking 1 pill a day, the most convenient regimen of all but without insurance, it’ll cost me about $50 per pill. It is so ridiculous to think how much it costs to be alive.

Everyone complains about their lives, of terrorism, immigration issues, etc. My outlook has changed into thinking of just living day-to-day. I cry sometimes thinking that my day’s life costs about the same as a month’s worth of expenses for a family in Africa. At the same time it made me become grateful of the priviledge of having access to the medicine and the information I need to live. Many people in developing countries choose not to be informed or tested because even if they find out about their status, there’s really nothing they can do about it. They cannot afford to spend the money for their medication. They’d rather provide food on the table.

thank you oprah!!!!-via aids male in seattle

Posted by: viewer1977

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:08am (198 of 330)

I want to thank you oprah and especally, Magic Johnson for getting the word out! I have been living with aids now for 11 years now. I was so glad to see the women talking about there hiv on the air, I have been looking for a woman with hiv for years now, but do you know how hard it is for a hiv/aids male to find a new woman in there life that will admit they have hiv/aids? I got aids from another woman back in 1995 and I honestly think she knew. unfortuntely, I had to move from Amarillo,Texas to Seattle,WA. to get the meds I needed to continue to live, Texas is really far behind in the hiv/aids fight and medical care. I have two hiv/aids groups on AOL and they are for anyone that needs moral support or just wants to talk about hiv/aids and while they are there, maybe they can’t meet new people and maybe more. I feel Thats what my calling is now, to help others deal with this illness, and I try to stay up to date on whats going on with hiv aids. I loved the show and the contents and I would like to ask magic jonson one question. is there anyway possible you could ever go to Amarillo,Texas and speak there on hiv/aids? they need to know whats really going on. to them its like it use to be, they believe when i was there, if they breathe the same air as I did, they would get hiv, which I know is not true. I wished i had a copy of the show , so I could take it to the adult day program I go to here in Seattle, it would be a good learning tool for new hiv patients! and to hear it coming from MAGIC JOHNSON!!!!!

This May Blow Your Mind

Posted by: n6dzb9

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:54am (199 of 330)

My name is Jason Bentley Jones. I’m disclosing my name now because I will be disclosing other’s names in the body of this post. In 1987 I had the idea for a dating service for people with HIV and AIDS. It was called “INTROSTRUCTURE” (a created word from “structured introduction” and is the ‘infrastructure’ of a person’s social life if infected with HIV). The idea was simple but the intended effect was complex.

On the surface, this service would be like that old TV show “Love Connection”; You know, the one with Chuck Woolery (sp?) (“Be back in two and two”). The idea was to bring spontenaety back into a persons life. Companionship without having to worry about “the talk” that they would have to experience with someone that they are dateing. Since, in most cases, upon hearing about the diagnosis most relationships end, INTROSTRUCTURE would be there to provide one on one understanding. Beneath the surface, INTROSTRUCTURE was to be a way to isolate a means of transmission. Also, it was to be a way for the Center for Disease Control to longitudinally “track” those who would, otherwise, not come in for check-ups.

Okay, there were people who accused me of “Playing god (I dare not use a capital ‘g’) with people’s lives” but my intentions were pure. I am 38 now. My teenage years were full of “Amnesty International” bennefits and “Live Aid”. I am a product of that time. A time when Bono and the rest of our hero’s told us to “Find new dreams” to “make a difference for good” and THAT was my intention.

Anyway, I went to Temple University for a while and realized that this eppidemic is not getting any better. Every day that I stay in school “sharpening my ax” people were contracting this disease; so I incorperated INTROSTRUCTURE and started to build. The intention was to go nation wide. The intention was to arrange for psychology and social work majors to aquire credit (like an internship) for conducting interviews and “being Chuck Woolery”. All this could happen once I aquired “501c3 status” for the company. And so it started: SIX LONG YEARS of back and forth with the IRS until I was connected to this fella (I told you I would use names) Leonard Orcino. Orcino’s boss Edward Karcher (in Washington D.C.) finally (after a year) had a conference call with me and a very nice lawer named Robert Lewis, whom after the first hour donated his legal services because he truely believed in the program.

THE MIND BLOW

Deviance, when do we learn?

Posted by: rikihawk

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 3:26am (200 of 330)

Of course it’s tragic for Magic Johnson and all people who have HIV or AIDS. My question is: since when did Magic Johnson become such a dedicated spokesman for HIV? Before or after his deviant acts against society? This is so prevelant for many people in today’s society. Unfortunatley, what are we doing at our dinner tables today? Do we even talk about social issues? Isn’t this where we develop our morals, values, and beliefs? Home, school, and spiritual centers help us with this not the deviant empowerment of going against social norms. We need to get back to the traditional values of yesteryear because the baby boomers really goofed up on us today. Magic Johnson, at least you held yourself accountable for your deviant acts and promote people not to do what you did.

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I never took it seriously

Posted by: coleokay

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 4:38am (201 of 330)

I am a 20-something heterosexual female college graduate with multiple sexual partners over my lifetime. I have always been educated about HIV/AIDS and the risks of unprotected sex. My naive, “it can’t happen to me attitude” ended today. The fact that up until your show, I have often acted irresponsibly is embarrassing, even more so knowing Magic Johnson personally (though not well). Coming from a family of professional basketball players, the risks were always discussed and in the open since Magic came out about his disease 15 years ago. But it was not until the forum of six women on the show that actually made me see myself on that screen. I realized that the blond woman up there could be me, only she was far more beautiful than I am and even still, she contracted HIV. Though I am a white woman, I often date black men and I had no idea that AIDS was the number one killer of black women my age! I group myself on the cusp of that group since my sexual partners are often the same. I will never again have unprotected sex. With all the NBA promiscuity I have grown up around, and the awareness and acceptance of Magic’s disease, I still never thought it would be me until today’s show. Thank you Oprah. I have never written to your show, or any other show for that matter, but I am truly moved by your social responsibility today and much like Magic’s gratitude towards you, I too am so thankful and grateful for your strides and your shows. Know that this episode my have prevented at least one more case, which is reason enough to continue on your path. Well done to both you and Magic and your entire producing team for having the fourth sight to make such an episode!

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Posted by: sophia410

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 6:36am (202 of 330)

It was wonderful to see Magic Johnson still doing so well and that his wife Cookie was there with and for him.

They are both an inspiration to us.

I can’t believe that HIV/ Aids has been here for 30 years. I remember when word first came out about this strange disease, it was a death sentence. It was through research and the sacrifices of others that many affected by this virus can life a fruitful and “normal” life.

Stigma comes with every disorder. We are a society that has been socialized to be concerned with image only.

We ostracise (this includes healthcare workers) those with HIV, Cancer, mental disorders, the physically challenged, autism, speech pathologies, obesity , etc.

The new face of aids really isn’t recent, women have been the unfortunate beneficiaries of this transfer of virus for at least 10 tens (the new epidemic). Like most disorders women are treated like second class citizens especially when there is an inference of sex. REMEMBER ONLY CONDOMS PREVENT THE SPREAD OF HIV AND STDS, not contraceptives. Your sexual history includes everyone your partner has been with and their partners and so on and so on.

TEST WILL RUIN YOU LIFE

In Response to: Living With HIV

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 6:59am (203 of 330)

Until HIV has 100% been proven to cause AIDS and the questions or missisng links in this theory has been cleared up and scientists from the rethinker’s side be given the press or air time to voice their opinions in this matter, then the HIV test is not valid in the first place.

With all of the false positives and all of the questions that you can see if you read all of the comments here today, why would any one in their right mind be tested?

Why would anyone want their life to be ruined, be falsely labeled with a sexually transmitted disease, have a social stigma placed on them, be told that they will get AIDS and die, cannot get insurance and told that they should take toxic drugs for the rest of one’s life?

You see, thousands question this HIV and AIDS theory. I am not allowed to name websites but punch in some of these rethinkers, David Crowe, Darin Brown, Hank Barnes, Stephen Davis for a start on the internet.

There is a list of over 2,300 scientists and highly educated people who want this hypothesis to be re-evaluated.

One more moment, do you not find it odd that all of this has been suppressed by the mainstream news media? Why has not CNN, FOX, CBS or any major newspaper reported about this? Yet, you see here, thanks to Oprah by the way, that there is more going on than the public is being told about. We have gone done the wrong track in this matter too long now, it’s high time that we regroup so that we all can heal as a nation.

Reply to shaft459

Posted by: HarpoBear – Community Producer – Oprah.com

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:17am (204 of 330)

Hi, if you wish to submit a show idea please use the EMAIL US link to the left of this page or use the ‘Be on the Show’ link (below) to see what shows we’re working on:

http://www.oprah.com/tows/intheworks/tows_works_main.jhtml

Thanks for asking and have a nice day. :)

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In Response to: Message to Oprah

Posted by: HarpoBear – Community Producer – Oprah.com

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:31am (205 of 330)

Hi, the best way to email Oprah or her staff is to use the EMAIL US link to the left of this page.

Additionally, here is a link to the ‘Be on the Show’ page so you can see what shows are in the works:

http://www.oprah.com/tows/intheworks/tows_works_main.jhtml

Thanks! :)

(Untitled)

Posted by: deshias1

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:38am (206 of 330)

First of all,I’d like to say thank you to Oprah for bringing to light the issues that the world around us seem to be afraid to touch. The show yesterday about the US AIDs epidemic in really moved me.Particularly when Mr. Rivers spoke. His words were so powerful and true.If this epidemic continues in the direction that it’s going, the black community will be irrradicated. There will be none of us left to reproduce. As a black women and a mother, I am afraid. I am afrid for me, I am afriad for my daughter and I am afraid for the future generation of blacks. I am appalled by the way that we are degraded television.When one of the only black television stations that we have as black people supports this degridation of black women then what can we expect people to think of us….Particularly our black men. Sex is all around us and schools and preachers are still talking about abstinence.Abstinence is not working.That’s like telling someone that’s hungry not to eat!I’d love to see a show that you visit black communities that are in crisis from AIDS so that we can understand the level of ignorance that we are dealing with in this crisis.I say ignorance because when a black man can say with a clear mind that he can have unprotected sex with an HIV positive women becuase it’s harder for men to contract it, I feel that ignorance is rampid.When a man wants to have unprotected sex with a women that’s HIV positive because she looks healthy, then we are dealing with ignorance.It’s scary.That tells me how lightly this disease is being taken.

Thank you,

K.Holloman

Angel522

In Response to: firstblood

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 8:26am (207 of 330)

The “LAW” may agree with the Hypothesis and Excuse or IGNORE the Facts…”You don’t Have to Have HIV to Test HIV Positive”..furthermore if you Keep a Log of your Medical Records the Warranties and Disclaimers from the HIV Test Manufacturers have covered their butt! Be Smart Angel Get Other Oppinions far, Far away from the Current laboratory that Tests you.

Antibodies are Not a Disease they are a Natural Sign of Immunity..

God Bless

GREAT SHOW

Posted by: deardra75

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:13am (208 of 330)

I was really unsure if I wanted to see another AIDS show but I should have known that Oprah’s would be diffrent. The show had so much information on it. I made my 12 year old daughter sit down and watch it with me. I am a black women who has taken the responsibility of knowing my status. It was wonderfull to see all the diffrent faces of AIDS.I pray that the black commintiy steps up and looks at the death of our community and takes steps to stop the dying.

WELL STATED

In Response to: The AIDS meme

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:25am (209 of 330)

The above was well stated and a very good analogy about the HIV test.

Think of it as this way. If there is a test for measles then all of us who’ve had the measles will test positive for antibodies, assuming that the test is accurate in the first place. For those who have not had the measles, then they will test negative.

For those who tested positive, it only means that sometime in his or her life-time, he or she had the measles. So it is with HIV. If the tests were accurate, which they are not, that’s all that would mean.

Now let’s suppose that from this day on that every one who tests positive for the measles will be told that you have a sexual disease and will not be allowed to get insurance, now you must take life-long medications for these measles and you are going to die from the measles.

Anyone hearing this would certainly think that this is nuts, has the doctor lost his or her mind? Well, this is exactly what has happened with the HIV virus. This is where science has taken us, into the waving of a magic wand, a deadly, new disease has been created.

Role Model

Posted by: venosta

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 10:09am (210 of 330)

I was surprised, Oprah, when you told Magic Johnson that he was a good role model. Is that the kind of role model we want for our youth especially young black men? Magic is a married man who had unprotected sex outside of his marriage with a woman who infected him with AIDS and does Magic know if he went on to infect other women before he got diagnosed? He is lucky he did not infect his wife. So if that is the kind of role model you think young people should be looking up to then there are thousands of unfamous role models already out there having unprotected sex the same as Magic and spreading the virus.

It is “part of the package” marrying a pro athlete that the wives turn a blind eye to their husbands fooling around but to be so careless as not to take protection, that is inexcusable.

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APPLAUDING THE COURAGE OF THOSE WOMEN AGAIN

Posted by: collenw – Every day a new day

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 11:38am (211 of 330)

I have to say again what courage, what concern for your fellow Americans, be they gay or straight, male or female, black or white, young or old. This disease, unlike people does not discriminate.

EDUCATION

EDUCATION

EDUCATION

is the key.

Thanks, Oprah for continuing to provide that education. And for teaching young women to have the self esteem and pride to protect themselves.

The Current Face of HIV/AIDS

Posted by: sylma4

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 11:43am (212 of 330)

The face of HIV/AIDS here in America!I wrote to the show a few years back and brought up this very issue back then. The face of HIV/AIDS is changing the face of this preventable disease is rapidly infecting the women in our country. I have not seen the show yet. But I am glad to know that finally some one is talking about women and HIV/AIDS. Please keep talking about it.One of the most important things we also need to bring up is in WOMEN’S REGULAR HEALTHCARE. Women need to get tested when visiting the gynecologist even if they are not in the “risky behavior” category. HIV testing is one test that often gets overlooked in topics of women’s healthcare and in the media. Just as important as Breast Cancer, Diabetes, Heart Disease, etc. We live in a country that is ignoring a life threatening disease and we are still afraid to bring up the facts of what this virus is doing to the women in our country. PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! Continue to bring this subject up again and again. We all think if we ignore it… HIV/AIDS will not affect us. I have been diagnosed with HIV since 1997 and have since been active in trying to make everyone, especially women aware of protecting themselves. We all need to be taught on how to educate ourselves and give us women the power to take control of our bodies. No matter what our man tells us. I have also been involved with a Women’s Leadership training sponsored by Johnson & Johnson on how to give women the power to take the lead in helping other women in California face the social difficulties of living with HIV/AIDS. This has been very empowering because, women need to learn how to become united in a battle that can literally save the lives of our sisterhood and other sisters who can prevent themselves from being infected. This topic will only go away if you let it. The virus already in pandemic porpotions in many countries which will kill our mothers, sisters, daughters, etc. if we let. Hooray for finally bringing this deadly disease into the media. Keep on doing what you are doing and don’t forget that women in the US need this kind of information in order to stay healthy and alive. Sylvia A. Mata PLWH,Advocate of HIV/AIDS,Co Chair Orange County HIV Planning Council,Volunteer/Political Activist for Federal funding of the RWCA for ‘Keeping Families Together’ in the US who are Living with HIV/AIDS

there is a cure for AIDS

Posted by: elisefw

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 11:57am (213 of 330)

but not for individuals with HIV-AIDS. AIDS is the one desease that is 100% preventable and it does not have to be me that gets it. today AIDS is transfered primarily through sexual contact (also through prgnancy, though that is not a primary means of transfer, it’s extremely rare in fact). if everyone in the world were completely monogamous and honored their partner’s fidelity, AIDS would disappear in a matter of generations.

our society is one that extolls sexual freedom… everyone, regardless of age, gender, race, sexual preference, etc is ‘accepted’ and generally sexuality is something to flaunt. i’m not saying anyone should be ashamed, but i am saying that if everyone were 100% loyal to their partner (before and after marriage) AIDS would die of natural causes.

don’t want to sound like a puritan preacher, but it’s a fact that this is how AIDS spreads. i’m not even sying my solution is do-able, because of so many people out there that dilebrately infect, rape, or risk everything through sexual contact. but we can make a difference. there is only one way to kill a virus, and that is to stop it’s spread. it is possible to be loyal to your spouse before you ever meet them, society may think that’s backwards or puritan, but in today’s world, it’s also logical and it IS something everyone can decide to do.

WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT AIDS IS DUE TO SEX?

In Response to: there is a cure for AIDS

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:08pm (214 of 330)

If aids is spread by sex, would you please prove it as the statistics from the CDC don’t reflect this neither does Dr. Nancy Padian’s study.

understanding

Posted by: dacusbrand

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:27pm (215 of 330)

I was watching the show yesterday and the topic was about Majic and HIV and AIDS. I want to thank you for addressing the problems of HIV and AIDS and how people deal with it in there lives, see I also have HIV have been positive since 1995 while serving in the military. I feel there pain in every aspect and then some. This is not a easy disease to deal with. Even now I struggle typing this to you because I often feel like people don’t care about it anymore. Being in the military and being positive was such a struggle for me they made me feel as though I had know value in life, that I had no purpose. For years I struggled trying to prove to people that we still can function as well as as anybody else in the military. You see, My cd4 count has been extremely high for years my viral load has been nondetectable since 1997. I’ve been of meds since 2000. The docter say I don’tneed the meds, actually I’ve been the perfect bill of health, besides my status. The military states that our medical status suppose to be confidential, but in all actuallity it’s not, because once people catch wind of you being HIV+ the news is going to spread like wild your chain of command who’s the one’s that suppose to play apart in keeping everything hush don’t. The Army puts a certain code on you that states you are to be processed out of the military or you are facing some type of judicial punishment. Which therefore put you at a stand still were ever you are stationed at the time, it also makes you nondeployable meaning I can’t serve my country overseas or anywhere else like anyother soldier could. That AEA codeB also prevents you from receiving special assignments that can push your career even futher and help you advance in your career. I joined the military in May of 1992 for a carrer in the military because I love doing what I do, I love being in the military interacting with people from all walks of life and as I got a little more rank on my collar I found my self enjoying being around other soliers traing them and seeing how much they grew as a soldier and a person. I’ve trained or had some type of positve influence on other soldiers, I believe. I wanted to make a career out of it. If you were to meet me you would never ever imagine that I was HIV+, 6’3 225lbs athletic built, take good care of myself allways have, but that dosen’t matter anymore once people find out your status. I was often asked to be deployed or selected to be deployed by higher who wasn’t aware of my statu

HIV Testing

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 12:41pm (216 of 330)

Google this if you want to know more about testing and to find a place to get tested:

National HIV Testing Resources

If you fear repercussions from the test results, search for a testing center that does Anonymous Testing.

Peace.

You got your facts wrong

In Response to: Role Model

Posted by: shorty181

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:00pm (217 of 330)

Before you judge anyone find out the facts, Magic had HIV before he got married, and he didn’t get it by cheating while he was married !You know you can have the virus for along time before it’s detected ! And far as a role model, I’m sure she wasn’t talking about when he was living a wild life, she is talking about what he is doing now in his community.

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In Response to: MOMOFRASCA

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:01pm (218 of 330)

No, you are not alone; I wish that we could maintain your privacy and yet still get your story and message out to all the young who think that they are invincible.

my how the world has changed

Posted by: andrearas

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:03pm (219 of 330)

There is a lot to be said about how different the world would be if we only had sex within the bonds of marriage. So many of the problems would be lessened and so much sadness would be alieviated. I have seen this topic discussed in the media often, but why is abstinence not considered as a possibility?

The one sure way to avoid AIDS

Posted by: oregon54

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:12pm (220 of 330)

Why don’t we ever hear about the one sure way to avoid the HIV virus. Abstinence before marriage. And the few times it’s mentioned, it’s quickly brushed aside. Yes it IS realistic in today’s society. There are thousands of us who live this lifestyle and do not worry about receiving any STD. Hollywood could do SO MUCH to help promote moral lifestyles, but instead they produce show after show in which sex is portrayed as casually as sharing lunch. How I’d love to see Oprah do a show on people who choose to live morally. Who delay sex till the wedding night and then are completely faithful from then on. Who choose to remain married instead of divorcing by utilizing forgiveness, unselfishness,and repentance. Yes, it is possible. Let’s hit AIDS at the source, our own behavior.

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R2xxyz1123(It’s hard to believe this)

In Response to: It’ hard to believe this

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:29pm (221 of 330)

Your small town school district was headed by some very foresighted and concerned leaders. I don’t know, but maybe these young women did not have the same type of educational experience as yours. As far as your thinking that they just wanted to be irresponsible don’t think that they are a paying one hell of a price and need our sympathies, support, political voices, and love.

This is the problem

In Response to: Untitled message

Posted by: erindemers

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:35pm (222 of 330)

“Abstinence is like telling someone who’s hungry not to eat.” That is a ridiculous line of reasoning. Sex is not something that people have to have or they will die. Maybe Hollywood would like you to believe it but its not true. What is wrong with women respecting their bodies by not allowing some random boy have sex with her and leave her right after. As a teenager, I never wanted to be some random nameless girl that the guys bragged about “doing”. I waited until I was in a committed relationship as an adult. Teenagers’ bodies may be ready for sex but their minds are still those of children. If a boy doesn’t know how aids is spread, how can he be mature enough to have responsible sex. Throwing our hands up and saying that we can’t expect teenagers to abstain is too easy. We have to help our daughters and sons value their bodies. Stop teenage sex, stop AIDS.

“Role Model”

Posted by: shinkston

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:42pm (223 of 330)

Even though the show on HIV/AIDS was so interesting and informative, I have to admit of the disguist i felt when Oprah made a comment about Magic being a great role model for today. I disagree strongly with this comment. First of all, when Magic announced that he was HIV positive he also exposed his multiple infidelities. I believe he actually admitted to having sex with 1000 different woment. I don’t believe this is the type of role model I want for my kids. Yes, he is probably the most accomplished case in history and is the most well-known face of HIV. However, I believe Cookie deserves to be called the role model. She stood by him knowing of the betrayal and broken vows he had committed. As I watched her on the show she showed 100% support and respect for her husband. I don’t know of a lot of women who could do that even for their husbands. Sara, KY

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In Response to: Role Model

Posted by: momofrasca

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 1:50pm (224 of 330)

Since HIV has a long incubation period chances are Ervin (Magic) Johnson had contracted the virus in the time he was out sowing his oats and before he decided to settle down and marry Cookie. So Stop!!! Magic and Cookie are role models and the image of what a committed relationship should be. If you are spiritual person, for surely you cannot share the same Christian belief as I, you would know that the Lord taught us to not sit in judgment of the lives of others. Magic has within in body the remnants of his life and neither you nor I can judge this man who despite being handed what some would have viewed a death sentence and yet instead of despair he appears to be a wonderful husband, father, successful entrepreneur and truly committed Christian.

‘DOWN LOW”

Posted by: lmilllor

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:00pm (225 of 330)

The man that said he was on the “down low” and infected his girlfriend and she refused meds and died should be prosecuted for murder.These people that practice deceit are as irresponsible as a premeditated murderer.

I’m still scared

In Response to: Re: I’m sorry for those who are sick; I’m scared

Posted by: plutoruns

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:07pm (226 of 330)

Hi edanmilton.

Anyway, I have been scared since I watched oprah’s show on aids. My last questionable sex decision was about ten years ago.

I don’t actually think that I have the disease, but those women yesterday really scared me. I realized that if I am as healthy as I believe, then I just avoided the bad lottery that I easily could have hit.

I desperately needed emotional help when I had sex long ago during my very abusive childhood. Young women from abusive households look for men for approval, love, etc. So scary to think that for some of us (like the women on the show last night), that understandable and human need for love and approval could lead to having a life-threatening disease.

I’m just scared. Not planning to get tested because I’m not willing to take any risk of hearing a false positive.

I trust that I have made safe decisions for at least the last ten years, so I’m hoping that something would have happened by now if I were infected.

I just can’t get tested. So I’m going to try to forget for the next few years, then I’ll know that I’m safe because my husband and I are both very loyal to each other. Thank God I found someone who is extremely loyal and committed.

But I’m still scared for both of us, at least a little, after the show.

This had to be said……

Posted by: mzgee40

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:08pm (227 of 330)

I can not believe the things that I have seen posted on this message board. First of all no one (not even Magic) knows all there is to know about HIV/AIDS. We’re all still learning, but I can tell you that like Magic I am an expert on my HIV. I am a Woman of Color who was diagnosed in 1994 while pregnant with my daughter. All I knew about HIV/AIDS was that it killed Gay, White Men. I never knew I was at risk because I am neither Gay, White or a Man. I truly believed that I was the first woman with this horrible disease, imagine my surprise when I started meeting others just like myself. My daughter will be celebrating her 12th Bday next month and she is negative. I always have had very good providers (4 total in almost 13 years), my 1st provider was so compassionate, she treated me like I was worth the effort and time. She also told me I could live a productive life if I chose to. I educated myself about this disease and I continue everyday learning what’s new out there concerning HIV. I was fortunate enough to meet Magic last year in New Orleans (a month before Hurricane Katrina) and I must say, Magic is an open and honest person. Magic, you gave me the inspiration to tell my own story. Like I told Magic when I met him, this had to be the hardest thing he’d ever done. People think because he was already in the spotlight, that made it easy for him to disclose. I believe it was just the opposite. As for the Women on the show, I know a few of them personally, and I just want to say “Thanks for starting this discussion”. We need to talk about HIV not only with our kids, but also with our sisters, mothers and friends. The only way to get rid of the Stigma of HIV/AIDS is to not be ashamed.

Re: The one sure way to avoid AIDS

In Response to: The one sure way to avoid AIDS

Posted by: edanmilton

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:12pm (228 of 330)

First, you are under the assumption that every single person wants to get married. There are people who will not or choose not to get married. I am gay and will never ever get married, because this country will never allow me to get married.

Secondly, you are under the assumption that there are always people around who will watch over the children or even adults in the sense of pre-marital sex, 24 hours a day and tell them what to do or not. Regardless of what you tell people to do, you do not have control of what they “choose” to do.

Lastly, you are under the assumption that only people who are not married who can get the virus and only married people who have sex after marriage are moral. Men and women whose partners live a double life or cheat can easily infect their partners with STD’s.

AIDS is Not Hype!

In Response to: AIDS is Hype

Posted by: mzgee40

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:21pm (229 of 330)

Magic is healthy because of his meds, exercise and the proper diet. When people meet me, the 1st thing I hear after telling them I’m positive is “you don’t look like it!” What does HIV/AIDS look like? I am on meds and I look and feel great. As a matter of fact I am healthier today than I was when I was diagnosed. The meds can be hard on a person with HIV, but so is chemo. Would we tell a person with cancer not to take chemo? The best advice I can give you is to attend an HIV/AIDS conference and see for yourself what’s happening in our world.

I’m appalled

Posted by: edanmilton

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:30pm (230 of 330)

This board seriously gets me sick to my stomach. I’m appalled of the responses from people who are either cynics of the HIV/AIDS virus or cynics of people who have HIV/AIDS.

I would seriously think that after 25 years, people would at least show compassion towards people who acquired the virus but there are moralists here who think that you only get the virus because you were being promiscuous. This is really disturbing. People are still ignorant up to this point!

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Thank You

Posted by: hivnme

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:33pm (231 of 330)

I have written to you Oprah and your staff severel times in regards to you doing a show on AIDS and African Americans and to my great delight it came on yesterday. ( I have been watching everday with my mom for the past 21 years, so I wasn’t going to miss it) Thank you Thank you Thank you. I truly hope that Magic and Cookie Johnson, and espeacially the ladies, educated some people, and inspired them to take care of themselves. It is important for people that are not infected to know that this disease can happen to anyone because we all at some time or another has trusted someone, we all have made bad choices and decisions, and we have all looked at another man’s/woman’s story and felt this doesn’t relate to me, or that would never happen to me. The truth is that EVERYTIME you have unprotected sex you put yourself at risk. Whether it is with someone you are dating, your boyfriend, or your husband. Knowing someone for a long time, or being in a monogoumous relationship does not protect you. YOU may be the only one that’s mongoumous. That why it is important for couples to get tested together to ensure that the two of you are safe. Nonetheless I just wanted to say thank you to Oprah and her staff for the always lifechangeing and informative information. Once again I hope that some lives were changed and saved!! God Bless- Gina B

DEBALING

In Response to: WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT AIDS IS DUE TO SEX?

Posted by: debaling

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 2:38pm (232 of 330)

I AGREE!!! CAN YOU SAY BLOOD TRANSFUSION? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I HAD WHEN MY SON WAS BORN. I INHERITED LOTS OF ALLERGIES BUT NOT HIV. HOWEVER, THE VIRUS CAN BE TRANSMITTED THRU BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS AS WELL. I JUST WISH PEOPLE WERE NOT SO SHORT SIGHTED AND JUDGEMENTAL BY THINKING THAT ABSTINENCE WILL SOLVE THIS ISSUE. WHAT ABOUT RAPE???????????.

I’ll answer this one

In Response to: I know I am prying perhaps

Posted by: mzgee40

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 3:03pm (233 of 330)

You asked “how does a person with HIV have unprotected sex?” The same way a person who is not positive does. There is not an HIV police squad waiting in the closet to arrest those who do not use condoms. HIV positives are encouraged to use condoms, but if they choose not to use condoms, that’s a personal decision.

My experience

Posted by: caramelle – Lovn’Me from the inside out!

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 3:17pm (234 of 330)

I was diagnosed as HIV+ in Feb of this year. My EX-fiance infected me. I was stunned that he knowingly did so. That is why I chose to press charges because he fled after I was being tested to upgrade my life insurance. I didn’t understand what the he** had happened when he just disappeared. Anyways, after a taped statement w the police (which was tough to do) they picked him up 3 months later. He has been sitting in jail since Dec. 12th of ’05. What shocks me even more is since the 3 months he’s been in another province, 3 other woman pressed the same charges, so I’m glad I did what I did.

What I want to say is after my first appt with the specialist, the VERY first thing she asked me was what type of medication would I like to go on. I asked, “Why, am I sick?” I got some long explanation. I asked if I could wait for my first tests to come back that measure the CD4/Viral. When I came back 3 months later, she said I’m 440 and a viral load of 1,000. She had never seen it so low in someone w/out meds. So I was encouraged, but then again I’d quit smoking 6 years earlier, been eating very healthy, and exercise regularly. I had also been educating myself. I was disappointed that they would push the meds on me when I wasn’t sick, we don’t do that for anyone else. Everyone around me, however, has the flu, is coughing, and I feel fantastic! I made a stupid mistake thinking I’d found the love of my life….we were planning a wedding and I still have the dress…can’t even give it away!! I just felt I had to post. My best friend knows as does my youngest sister and my close co-worker….others don’t need to know as my health status is really my business, but I do encourage others to DEFINATELY find support. Thanks!!

Caramelle

Dr. Kimberly Smith

Posted by: jerlean

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 3:39pm (235 of 330)

I was so impressed with this,not only beautiful woman, but her intellect and research on AIDS. She gave some really good pointers. I’m from SC and the stats here among African American Women with AIDS is phenomenal. It was a great topic and I applaud Magic and his wife for being out front about it. I hope to see more of Dr. Smith and her reserach on your show. I would love to see a show like this with this lady about Hepatitis C as well.

AIDS and Pop Culture

Posted by: backer48

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 4:07pm (236 of 330)

The priest who so eloquently commented about the tragic state of popular black culture and it’s endorsment of promiscuity, misogyny, pimping, and get rich or die values hit the nail on the head. Black leaders need to mobilize and take responsibility for calling the media and other cultural influences and taking them to task for their blatant disregard of the community. Black culture has a new master and the reality is they are slaves to a culture that tells them how to dress, speak, what to ingest, and offers the shallow promise of success. There is NO originality or emphasis on individuality. Total emphasis on image. Therein lies the source. The reason new incidents of HIV exist is a direct result of ignorance and denial. That message coming from a white leader has little value and is usually dismissed as “racist’. Speak up, Oprah. Tell us why you don’t endorse Rap artists. I believe she is aware of the root cause and dare not offend her core fan base. Tell the Truth, Oprah.

Pastor focused on Black community.

In Response to: pasters coment on HIV

Posted by: boxsparkle

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 4:10pm (237 of 330)

I sincerely do not believe that he meant that it was ok to infect anyone- regardless of race. The topic at that moment- the question posed to him from Oprah- was the prevelance in the Black Community, and so the reply was about Black men infecting Black women.

I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: nathlms

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 4:26pm (238 of 330)

I am so upset that I missed the show due to storms and a power outage!!! It is unnerving that people still bury their heads in the sand when it comes to HIV/AIDS. 25 years later many still don’t want to talk about it. There are some who still believe HIV and AIDS are the same thing as well as those who say that only gay men are at risk. When we look at how healthy Magic is we should feel inspired to know that you can still live after HIV infection. Instead we have individuals who say that because he has wealth, he has been cured and that if you have enough money you will be able to buy a ‘cure’. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! This virus is alive and well. You cannot turn your back on it because everywhere you look, it is there. So many are asking about a possible cure but we should all know that it is 100% PREVENTABLE. I hope the show is re-aired. Until then I will continue educating myself and others on the FACTS and not the myths.

My, What White Teeth You Have!

Posted by: suprthrive

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 4:37pm (239 of 330)

While I seldom watch her, I do have tremendous respect for Oprah, with perhaps the highest point for me being her interview of the cast of “Black and White”. However I think the lowest point came last night with Oprah’s “whitest teeth ever!” comment during Magic’s interview. Like him, I was completely stunned to hear such an asinine rookie mistake from Oprah, of all people. My god, you’d think she was some bimbo just breaking into the business interviewing stars on the red carpet of some second tier movie premier. By the time Magic regained his composure I still hadn’t recovered and had to change the channel. For all I know she went on to admire his wife’s “very petite nose!” Magic certainly handled it graciously enough. I imagine Oprah’s already had the sense to apologize privately, but if not she needs to do so. Profusely.

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Posted by: machele1

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 5:24pm (240 of 330)

I missed the show yesterday when Magic Johnson came on the TV when he talking about his HIV, I believe that the reason he his so healthy is because of the medication he is taking and positive attitude. I had a sister that passed away with AIDS 6 years ago, when she was diagnozed I believe it was too late for her because the medication that they have know is definately much more productive than before. How can I get a copy of yesterday’s show.

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shaft

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Posted by: pamela_cra

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 6:01pm (241 of 330)

Just let people post there thoughts and mind your own business it is like u r so negative and u r not concerned with the issue just want to make fun of people and what they write who made u judge?

“personal” experiences of those poisoned by AZT

In Response to: My experience.

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 6:09pm (242 of 330)

Ooohboy,

“Layman says, your words are meanlingless to me in light of my personal experience.”

I wonder what the “personal experiences” are of all the original hundreds of thousands of people put on AZT monotherapy more than a decade ago?

Oh, that’s right. They aren’t here to relate their “personal experiences” BECAUSE THEY’RE ALL DEAD.

I raise specific scientific points (the original 1987 Fischl trial was fraudulent, AZT isn’t converted into AZTTP sufficiently to inhibit RT enzyme, etc.) and you, without even having the faintest understanding of the science, dismiss the points because your “viral load” shot down after adding AZT.

“Viral load” is a crock. It DOES NOT “measure” the amount of virus. It has no correlation with infectious virus, CD4 cell loss, and reduction in viral load does not translate to better clinical outcomes. There are 2 high-profile articles in the scientific literature showing this now, published just the past few months.

“We are living long enough to suffer from the drugs that are keeping us alive now.”

And you have no idea how you (collectively) would be doing drug-free or even better, pursuing alternative paths such as nutritional regimens and treatment for specific illnesses. Why, because no drug trials have been tested against placebo. The rationale is that it’s not “ethical”, because AZT is already shown to be effective. But as I mentioned, that research was fraudulent.

“Do you know ANY perfect medicine?”

This “medicine” is more than imperfect. It’s nothing less than voodoo performed by witch doctors.

A Mother/ Daughter frank talk…HIV in America

Posted by: brina1031

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 6:10pm (243 of 330)

Thank U Oprah.. I’ve been a Watcher for many years and have been effected by many of your Guest and topics but none like this.As a 41 Yr Old Blk Mother with a 17 year old Blk Daughter your show helped me to communicate with my Young Adult Daughter and relate to her as Fellow Blk Woman with our lives under attack. The transition of a Daughter to Adulthood and the relationship with a Mother is so delicate and ackward but, your show helped to educate myself and my daughter. We understood the danger and realized no one will be concern about the plot of Blk Women if we first didn’t take control in a serious way of our own lives. After, veiwing your show my daughter and I agreed verbally not to have Unprotected Sex or sacrifice our well being. That next day I drafted a Contract with my daughter Woman to Woman. Often in a girl child’s life Mothers try to empower them and instill so many values and nuture self worth.To this present day after most importantly introducing my daughter to a concept of Higher Power your show helped take our relationship to another level..Thank U Please make this subject your mission and help Us Blk Women take control of our HIV Status and Health. Sincerely, Sebrina Peeples

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In Response to: New face of AIDS is my sister…

Posted by: leslie0615

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:02pm (244 of 330)

NOW THERE is a good chance that the baby will be negative I have been living with hiv since I was 17, I didn’t deal well with the diagnosis and have had 2 Hiv + babies and a daughter who is 13 and negative. Everyone told us that there is no way she would live

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In Response to: HIV=AIDS – Fact or Fraud?

Posted by: leslie0615

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:16pm (245 of 330)

I can’t believe how people can believe that aids is just hype. I have watched two children of mine die from this disease.I also live with the ups and downs of the disease every day along with many others out there. Every time you get sick you wonder if its the last time. I just want to know how poeple can still be some ignorant about this disease still. There are still thousands of people being newly diagnosed yearly. Why are we still pretending that Aids does not exist?

Aids is a man made disease

Posted by: ngalula

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:19pm (246 of 330)

Western scientists, researchers, and educators have brainwashed people into believing that the AIDS virus came from monkeys roaming around the equatorial forests of the Democratic Republic of Congo. They can never explain intelligently 1) why Africans started to get it only in the ’80s even though monkeys have existed for centuries on the continent or 2) why the first AIDS case was a homosexual man in the US.

The truth is that AIDS did not originate in Africa. It was created in a laboratory by American scientists because they wanted to wipe out homosexuals and blacks from the face of the earth. They used Africa as a scapegoat because people always equate Africa with bad things anyway.

It was a doctor of internal medicine and gastroenterology in Los Angeles, Robert Strecker, who discovered that AIDS is a man made, genetically engineered disease created by Americans and Europeans. He knows this because he read tons of documents written by World Health Organization (WHO) virologists who planned this whole thing out several years beforehand. Dr. Strecker recorded his findings in a 90 minute video which he called the Strecker Memorandum.

Some of his supporters who have also written about the man made origin of AIDS include notable doctors and educators such as: William Campbell Douglas (W.H.O Murdered Africa), Kwame Nantambu (The Real Origin of AIDS & U.S Tuskegee Experiment) and Allan Cantwell Jr. (AIDS/HIV Conspiracy: Debunking Out of Africa Myth).

More on AZT

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:33pm (247 of 330)

Some excellent references on the AZT scam:

“Poison by Prescription”, by John Lauritsen: Exposed the fraud committed during the original Phase II trials of AZT nearly 20 years ago. Discusses AZT toxicity, contains first-hand reports of various “AZT conferences”, and 2 interviews with Peter Duesberg.

“Debating AZT”, by Anthony Brink: The most comprehensive and readable refutation of the AZT swindle. Brink uses extensive citations from the orthodox literature demonstrating the toxicity and failure of AZT, its use in mother-child transmission, its true history and discovery, and describes in easy language why it is not an “antiviral drug”, is not sufficiently converted to AZTTP to inhibit RT.

“A Critical Analysis of the Pharmacology of AZT and its Use in AIDS”, by Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos et al. Current Medical Research and Opinion Vol. 15: Supplement, 1999: The most comprehensive technical refutation of AZT.

“The Toxicity of AZT on Human and Animal Cells in Culture at Concentrations Used for Antiviral Therapy”, by Duesberg and Chiu, Genetica 95: 103-109, 1995: Duesberg and Chiu performed experiments showing AZT is “highly toxic to human cells”.

If HIV is manmade, it’s a dud

In Response to: Aids is a man made disease

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 7:41pm (248 of 330)

Of course, HIV/AIDS didn’t “originate in Africa”. I’m still shocked that the black and African community can’t recognize the conventional HIV origins story as the racist clap-trap it is.

However, if HIV is a man-made disease, they failed spectacularly, since HIV doesn’t cause AIDS.

HIV is a rumour that became a hoax that became a scam. Do a quick google search on “AIDS wiki” or “AIDS dissident”.

“I’d almost call it a conspiracy, except the people involved in it aren’t smart enough to be conspirators.” — Kary Mullis, Noble Prize in Chemistry 1993

“The HIV-causes-AIDS dogma represents the grandest and perhaps the most morally destructive fraud that has ever been perpetrated on the young men and women of the Western world.” — Charles Thomas, molecular biologt and former biochemistry professor, Harvard and Johns Hopkins

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Posted by: raquelg9

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 8:15pm (249 of 330)

I just wanted to say that I am so glad that Oprah did a show about on AIDS/HIV in America. I was shocked at how uninformed the African American and Hispanic community is. I am a 27 year old hispanic female and I do not really understand why it is that they are not pushing the issue of how to protect yourself not only from this disease but from all sexually transmitted diseases in the schools. I had a cousin die 2 weeks ago from AIDS and he had been living with it secretly for awhile partly of because he was ashamed and then he really didnt know how to go about getting the support that he needed. I now want to go out and try to better inform the Hispanic and African American community, not just them but every one. I want to try to help prevent this disease from spreading. I just dont know what I need to do to go about getting started on this I am not a very good at public speaking but I am willing to do this to keep people from dying. If anyone can give me any ideas I would greatly appreciate it.

Magic is such a hypocrite!

Posted by: marvelham

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 8:28pm (250 of 330)

Magic has spent most of her career being a “player” and I wonder how many women he has given HIV to. I’m surprised that his wife has stuck by him.

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It can be done.

In Response to: Re: The one sure way to avoid AIDS

Posted by: oregon54

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 8:34pm (251 of 330)

We raised four children. Of course we couldn’t watch over them 24-7. But we taught them and tried to set the right examples throughout their lives. We attended church together every week. They have all chosen to delay sex until marriage. They have chosen spouses will equally high standards and goals. They too don’t worry about STDs. It can be done. I stand by what I wrote.

Readers:

Posted by: drlaura7

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:12pm (252 of 330)

Readers, keep in mind the resourses available for HIV/AIDS on Oprah’s web and other agencys such as the Centers for Disease Control, AEGIS, AIDS info, and the World Health Organization. Your Doctor can be an excellent resource to provide information about transmission, prevention and treatment of Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

There are more drugs than AZT

In Response to: More on AZT

Posted by: drlaura7

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:16pm (253 of 330)

Your doctor can be a great resource in transmission, treatment and prevention of HIV>

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In Response to: If HIV is manmade, it’s a dud

Posted by: drlaura7

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:18pm (254 of 330)

Readers, keep in mind the resourses available for HIV/AIDS on Oprah’s web and other agencys such as the Centers for Disease Control, AEGIS, AIDS info, and the World Health Organization. Your Doctor can be an excellent resource to provide information about transmission, prevention and treatment of Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

a parent’s responsibility……..

Posted by: westfalia

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:29pm (255 of 330)

I watched Oprah’s HIV/Aids program with my 15 year old daughter. We live in a community of under 200,000 in the Canadian prairie. This disease is not spoken about with the prominence that it should be. In our city, those most at risk are our First Nations (Native) population of young people. Many people here would like to think it affects only “others”. As uncomfortable as some sex issues may be to speak about with our children, we must put our discomfort aside. This weekend I will be buying condoms and bananas. I want my daughter to practice for a time that I hope is still several years away, and a time that she can reflect upon when she is old and grey.

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In Response to: H. I. V.

Posted by: drlaura7

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:34pm (256 of 330)

Readers, keep in mind the resourses available for HIV/AIDS on Oprah’s web and other agencys such as the Centers for Disease Control, AEGIS, AIDS info, and the World Health Organization. Your Doctor can be an excellent resource to provide information about transmission, prevention and treatment of Human Immunodeficiency Virus.

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Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:39pm (257 of 330)

“Readers, keep in mind the resourses available for HIV/AIDS on Oprah’s web and other agencys such as the Centers for Disease Control, AEGIS, AIDS info, and the World Health Organization.”

There are 2 major documents the orthodoxy uses to “refute” the dissidents: both are anonymous, non-peer-reviewed documents. One is the product of the US government (the NIAID “Evidence that HIV causes AIDS”), the other was a “declaration” published in Nature 6 years ago when Thabo Mbeki threatened to expose HIV at the Durban conference in 2000. (“Durban Declaration”).

Both have been refuted and the refutations are available at the AIDS Wiki under “Essential Documents”.

“Your Doctor can be an excellent resource to provide information about transmission, prevention and treatment of Human Immunodeficiency Virus.”

Your doctor pretty much goes by the standard line he/she gets from the AMA, Science, Nature, CDC, etc. Very few doctors have taken the time to look into the facts.

That’s all we’re asking — look into the facts for yourself, and you’ll see that the HIV explanation does not add up.

look into it for yourself

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Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:42pm (258 of 330)

“Readers, keep in mind the resourses available for HIV/AIDS on Oprah’s web and other agencys such as the Centers for Disease Control, AEGIS, AIDS info, and the World Health Organization.”

There are 2 major documents the orthodoxy uses to “refute” the dissidents: both are anonymous, non-peer-reviewed documents. One is the product of the US government (the NIAID “Evidence that HIV causes AIDS”), the other was a “declaration” published in Nature 6 years ago when Thabo Mbeki threatened to expose HIV at the Durban conference in 2000. (“Durban Declaration”).

Both have been refuted and the refutations are available at the AIDS Wiki under “Essential Documents”.

“Your Doctor can be an excellent resource to provide information about transmission, prevention and treatment of Human Immunodeficiency Virus.”

Your doctor pretty much goes by the standard line he/she gets from the AMA, Science, Nature, CDC, etc. Very few doctors have taken the time to look into the facts.

That’s all we’re asking — look into the facts for yourself, and you’ll see that the HIV explanation does not add up.

Is that Regan from POZ?

Posted by: sophievt

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 9:47pm (259 of 330)

Those women were so brave. I wondered if the blonde woman named Regan is the same as the Editor of POZ magazine. She was great, as were all the women who were so honest and so REAL! I have HIV and understand everything they said. Thank you Oprah for doing this show. I hope you do more.

no placebo

In Response to: There are more drugs than AZT

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/27/2006 at 10:47pm (260 of 330)

“There are more drugs than AZT.”

Listen carefully:

Yes, there are more drugs than AZT. But all drug therapy is now tested against AZT monotherapy using bogus “surrogate markers” like viral load or CD4 counts.

None of the new drugs are tested against placebo. The assumption is that AZT is better than placebo, so that if the new drugs do better than AZT alone, then they are better than placebo.

But if the original studies comparing AZT to placebo were flawed and/or fraudulent, then the rationale for comparison against AZT mono is wrong.

The whole edifice is held up by the idea that AZT is an effective, if poor, therapy.

If that premise is wrong, the whole house of cards falls down.

GET IT??

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HIVFORLIFE

In Response to: Aids in Women

Posted by: hivforlife

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 3:23am (261 of 330)

In response to you question on the cost of medication, it is much more than 100.00. I can personally tell you I have a great insurance plan that has a co pay of 40.00 for a 30 day supply and if using mail by order 40.00 for a 3 month supply. For every person affected, the cost will differ depending on their insurance provider. I can tell you when I first started I was taking 2 pills a day and the retail price was over 500.00 for each bottle. I hope this answers your questions.

Send me your 20 questions

In Response to: Why were my 20 Questions deleted?

Posted by: pdthomas1 – Free At Last

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 6:39am (262 of 330)

Mr. Brown, I am very interested in your view points, please send me your 20 questions. alabasteroils@aol.com

RIGHT ON SHAFT, TELL IT LIKE IT IS

In Response to: “personal” experiences of those poisoned by AZT

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 6:40am (263 of 330)

Right on, tell it like it is shaft! Everything that you stated is the truth, just ask any of us who have been there and done it! We wised up in a hurry to the fraudulent science of Robert Gallo. You see I can say these things about this man without worry of a lawsuit because it is the truth and I can also say that he stole lab specimens from the French.

The American people should not be gullible and ask the all important question,

WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT HIV IS SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED AND THAT IT CAUSES AIDS?

Over 20 years later, we are still waiting for the answers!

SO CAN PEOPLE OFF THE MEDS

In Response to: AIDS is Not Hype!

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 6:48am (264 of 330)

That’s great that you are doing well. However, you must realize that there are people out here that do not take the meds and are living normal lives too!

my real identity

In Response to: RIGHT ON SHAFT, TELL IT LIKE IT IS

Posted by: shaft459

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 6:54am (265 of 330)

In the interests of public disclosure, I am only “shaft” to the extent that I was unable to exert sufficient control over my handle upon posting to Oprah.com. I am, in fact,

Darin Brown co-creator of AIDS wiki

do a google search on “AIDS wiki”

Great!

In Response to: my real identity

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 6:57am (266 of 330)

I am one of your greatest supporters. Anyone who wants to get the full story about AIDS should go to AIDS wiki and learn about what the mainstream news is not telling you.

What if?

In Response to: It can be done.

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:24am (267 of 330)

I think that it is very commendable that you have taught your children morals in this fast pace and go for anything society. However, how are you going to feel if you have a daughter who is married, becomes pregnant and comes up HIV+? I bet that then your viewpoint about the validity of these tests will change in a hurry.

LIVING WITHOUT HIV DRUGS

In Response to: SO CAN PEOPLE OFF THE MEDS

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:47am (268 of 330)

Search google for Stephen Davis living without hiv drugs, and there you will hear real stories of real people who do not take the drugs and are healthy, proving that it can be done.

LESLIE0615

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Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:55am (269 of 330)

AIDS Exists as a “CONSTRUCT” or as the CDC Calls it a “Surveillance tool” of about 30 OLD Illnesses that Predate the AIDS era.

All of the Illnesses Under the CDC “TOOL” or Definition have a Cause,Symptom of their own and a Treatment of their own…so-called HIV Positives are Discriminated and treated as if they are POSSESSED by HIV and BECOME WALKING HIV rather than just having an infection.

When a person is Told that they are “Diagnosed” some how with HIV (HIV+) the Illness jumps to AIDS by Definition especially with the T cell definition the CDC created in 1993.

HIV Negative + Toxoplamosis =Toxoplasmosis

HIV Positive + Toxoplasmosis =AIDS

HIV Positive with 200 Tcells =AIDS

HIV Negative with 200 Tcells =AIDS [The CDC wont ADMIT]

Gay & Lesbian Center L A HIV+ = Gay Disease = GRIDS

Did your two Daughters have GRIDS or AIDS?

Furthermore CONSTRUCTS do NOT KILL People..Money Making Toxic Drugs do.

When People get sick any where in the world they should be DIAGNOSED according to an Illness not a POSSIBLE Outcome of 30 of them.

Liver Failure does HIV Cause it?

Missed oppertunity

Posted by: hawkhoney

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 9:00am (270 of 330)

It felt as though the ways HIV/AIDS is spread was pretty much left out of the discussion. It goes much deeper than sex, transfusions, and drug use.

This is such a mistake, since the methods that allow the disease to spread are of utmost importance. That’s where it starts or stops. We in America are killing ourselves with our risky behaviors, and no one wants to stand up and say STOP! No one wants to be the one to ruin the party. No one wants to be the geek that is responsible. We all want to be a part of the cool people. And at what cost?

Whether it’s unsafe sex practices, over-eating, sedentary lifestyles, debt, pollution, smoking, drinking/drugs, tanning… We behave as if now is the only thing that counts and tomorrow be damned. Living life large and in charge! But then when tomorrow is upon us, we are horrified that no one told us the real dangers. We’re angry that society sold us on bad behaviors. We want to sue. We want to congress to make new laws. We want the President to make a statement.

We blame others and justify our bad decisions, and then keep on making bad decisions… teach our children those same decision patterns… model those same patterns for others to follow… watch silently as others make bad decisions and comfort them when the get hit with the consequences with, “it’s not your fault.” Sad to say, but it is our fault. Me being promiscuous is my decision, even if my absent father left me searching for a man to love me. Me smoking and tanning to be like my friends is MY decision not Cosmo magazine’s. Me overeating or eating fast food and getting fat is my fault, not McDonald’s. I have the power to say no to all of these things. If each person said no, then we wouldn’t need to worry about a fast and loose society pressuring us.

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Thank you Oprah

Posted by: duckyluck

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 9:22am (271 of 330)

At the time this show aired I was just starting the bigger sex talk with my 12 year old daughter. We watched together pausing each time a question came up. I had been wondering how to bring up AIDS. It made it so much easier to have the facts.

DIANE LANE ?

Posted by: woodjan

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 9:43am (272 of 330)

MY FRIENDS SAID DIANE LANE HAS AIDS THAT SHE REPORTED THIS FACT ON OPRAH WITH MAGIC JOHNSON. I MISSED THIS AND CANNNOT FIND ANY INFORMATION TO BACK UP THIS, TRUTH OR MISSUNDERSTANDING ?

aids

Posted by: mrslamonya

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 10:22am (273 of 330)

I dont Have Hiv or Aids but I do take care three people that do.In the stroys has opened my eyes about it all. It can happen to any body. They life has changed a lot since they found at about it they family and friends treat them different,and I dont understand why cause it could of been one of them.Magic they say a family that prays togehter stay together. I am glad his wife stood by him.

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In Response to: Can Anyone Help? IF SO, PLS EMAIL

Posted by: mrslamonya

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 10:30am (274 of 330)

get all your paper together in call u a lawyer real fast like now something most be done.

So Sorry for your Loss

In Response to: Magic Johnson on AIDS in America

Posted by: sexymama3

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 10:31am (275 of 330)

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your story. I lost many friends and family members to this disease. Most suffered in silence. This was in the 80’s – early 90’s. I’m glad to see people live longer lives today. It hurts to see how many people are very careless in their lifestyles because of the medicine and the look of AIDS in America.

Thanks to all with courage.

Posted by: kindreds46

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 11:58am (276 of 330)

I would like to say “Thanks” to all who had the courage to come out and say “I have HIV.” In my community, people with AIDS/HIV are looked down upon, jokes are made about them, and there appears to be little compassion.

I lost a friend to AIDS. The fear factor must have been so great for her. She never told anyone. She probably had the disease for about 13 years and didn’t seek treatment.

I would encourage everyone to do as these ladies did–get tested. Don’t be “scared to death.” Treatment is available even for those who don’t have medical insurance.

Thanks Opraph for giving America a glimpse into AIDS in America and in the Black community.

very ergent

Posted by: bird32883

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 3:03pm (277 of 330)

hi everyone. i was wondering if anyone taped this show. it was very touching to me. i am a senior in kean college and have to do a 20 minute presentation on a topic of my chose. i want to teach the class about this important topic of women in america that get HIV/AIDS. this show really touched me and i wanted to share it with the class. please if anyone happened to tape this let me know and i will send a blank tape to you and a money order for the shipping and handling. I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANKYOU

There is hope.

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 3:14pm (278 of 330)

I just googled Project Inform and went to their site and under 2006 International AIDS Conference Coverage and selected the “Project Inform’s Reportback Blog” button.

Having read 6 of the 11 entries so far I found that there are clinical trials to find monotherapies as opposed to triple drug therapies to reduce the toxicity of drug regimens, new drugs, stem cell research/gene therapy, plans for a study of the 1 in 300 HIV+ that are slow or non-progressors in the search for a vaccine and other encouraging insights in the study of HIV treatments.

If you are poz and wonder if and when things will change, try reading the blogs from this years International Conference. Our concerns are being addressed and solutions are being sought.

. “Love Heals All”

DIANE LANE AND MAGIC JOHNSON ?

Posted by: woodjan

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 3:19pm (279 of 330)

DID DIANE LANE TELL OPRAH OR MAGIC THAT SHE HAS HIV ? I CANNOT CONFIRM THIS STORY, I KNOW SHE IS AN ACTIVE FUND RAISER AND AVOCATE FOR RESEARCH.

firstblood

In Response to: Angel522

Posted by: angel522

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 5:35pm (280 of 330)

I’m not going there with you. I’m scheduled for labs some time in November, if you’d like, I will have Quest send you some samples so that you may do you own tests. Once again, thank you.

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NO1HEALTHY

In Response to: LIVING WITHOUT HIV DRUGS

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:18pm (281 of 330)

ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE IS ME…

TOMAS B

LIVING WITHOUT HIV DRUGS AND ! SO CALLED HIV ILLNESSES!

ANGEL SWEETIE..

In Response to: firstblood

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:27pm (282 of 330)

I DON’T HAVE A TEST FOR HIV AND NO ONE IN THE WORLD DOES EITHER..

I didn’t ask you to go anywhere with me I simply stated some facts to you and thought you’d have the ability to Question.. however if you PREFER to “FEAR LOSING HIV” then FOLLOW the MONEY…

Humans are such creatures of habit

Posted by: kamileon

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 7:44pm (283 of 330)

Scurvy, beriberi, pellagra, Japanese SMON, and now HIV as the cause of AIDS??

Why do we even warn ourselves to learn from history’s mistakes when we don’t take our own advice, and keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and…

don’t take the tests

In Response to: Thanks to all with courage.

Posted by: revolver11

Posted on: 10/28/2006 at 10:00pm (284 of 330)

“I would encourage everyone to do as these ladies did–get tested.”

I would encourage everyone NOT to get tested. What good can come from taking an unvalidated, unstandardised, unreproducible test which gives a voodoo hex and leaves one more likely to be coerced into taking highly toxic drugs to fight a phantom virus?

THE TEST MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES STATE THAT THEIR TESTS CANNOT DIAGNOSE HIV INFECTION AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN THAT CERTAIN HIV CAUSES AIDS:

1. “ELISA testing alone cannot be used to diagnose AIDS.” (Abbott 1997)

2. “Do not use this kit as the sole basis for HIV infection.” (Epitope 1997).

3. “The amplicor HIV-1 monitor test is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV, nor as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection.” (Roche 1996).

4. “AIDS, AIDS-related complex and pre-AIDS are thought to be caused by HIV.” (OraSure 2002).

5. “Epidemiologic data suggest that the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) is caused by at least two types of human immunodeficiency viruses, collectively known as HIV. (Abbott 2006)

6. “Published data indicate a strong correlation between the acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS) and a retrovirus referred to as Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV).” (Vironostika 2006)

CANNOT BE USED. DO NOT USE. NOT INTENDED TO BE USED. THOUGHT TO BE CAUSED BY. DATA SUGGESTS. DATA INDICATE. RETROVIRUS REFERRED TO.

This is the language of lawyers. These companies aren’t stupid. They’re covering their asses for the day when they’re taken to court.

THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT

In Response to: NO1HEALTHY

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 2:17am (285 of 330)

Thomas B. I read your story and I too am one of the stories on the site. Our numbers are and will be growing every day as more and more people will be coming out and speaking up against this injustice.

Every one should go to Google and type in: AIDS FACT OR FRAUD and there you will find the best documentary about this whole affair. This wonderful film should be shown on national tv so that the public will see what a bill of goods we have all been sold, again type in AIDS FACT OR FRAUD.

Let’s talk about it.

Posted by: darynsmom

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 4:41am (286 of 330)

The show with Magic Johnson and his wife was great, very informative, especailly the excerpt with the women who contracted the virus. I went to work the next few days and talked about with anyone who would listen. It is important we educate ourselves and others, especially our daughters and sons. I told my daughter I urge her to get tested and have her boyfriend do the same. I told her I was even going to get tested, me and my husband of ten years. Everyone should get tested and get the results, it is better to know than to remain ignorant. There is no excuse for ignorance about this disease, the information is out there. I want to obtain a copy of that show,how do I go about that?

OK

In Response to: THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 7:45am (287 of 330)

I copied and pasted your words into google and this is what I got at the top of the list:

Factsheets | CDC HIV/AIDSListing of HIV/AIDS fact sheets. … Preventing the Sexual Transmission of HIV, the Virus that Causes AIDS: What You Should Know about Oral Sex PDF icon …

Yes the truth is out. Conventional medicine is saving many lives, including mine. Thanks for the google tip to what I already know.

I remember it well

Posted by: maxcbreez – somethin special

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 8:23am (288 of 330)

When Linda Thompson hosted a special show to talk to Magic about HIV – I sat down with my children and we watched it together. At the time they were 13, 9 and 7. It was the opportunity for me as a parent to educate my children in a venue that was threatening and they were still innocent. This show made such an impression on them and as they grew, their questions became more intense. It opened the door to discussin sex with my boys – their father was overseas in Korea at the time – and till today – we have open communication on this subject. Message to share with other parents – open those doors while your children are young and talking about sex, drugs and HIV will never be a problem. Your children will trust you and that is what you will cherish when they are ages 29, 24 and 22. I have always felt gratitude for Mrs. Thompson and Magic for opening a door I wasn’t sure I knew how to – thanks OPRAH – once again – you have helped America by doing the one thing that is not allowed in scool – education! Aloha!

AIDS VIDEO ON GOOGLE

In Response to: OK

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 10:11am (289 of 330)

Type this in and be sure and go to this site:

HIV=AIDS-FACT OR FRAUD?

This should take every one into a 1 hour 55 minute and 43 second video about why HIV does not cause AIDS.

Sexual Behaviour

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 10:45am (290 of 330)

For HIV believers: A coloured, white and Asian person is in an elevator. Mr. X with the flu enters and proceeds to hack and sneeze. Every one in our trio is, without prejudice, equally infected. What about HIV. Oh no. We are informed that HIV prefers coloured people of all shades. And furthermore it’s because of their sexual behaviour that HIV is so enamoured with them. Their sexual ‘behaviour’? Are their sexual proclivities really any different than those of the white community? Around 1980 the predominantly white homosexual crowd objected to having their obviously self induced bad health conditions blamed on their ‘behaviour’ which was essentially drug abuse. They began screaming for action from governments for some kind of cure until they caved in and declared “it must be a virus”. And presto, our neo Frankenstein, Gallo, along with Igor invented HIV from within a steaming test tube to the glee of the homosexual crowd. “It’s not our behaviour it’s a virus” they rejoiced. This is when the condition known as GRID, Gay Related Immune Deficiency became AIDS. HIV? HIV isn’t even a virus we are told. Rather it is supposed to be a retrovirus. If a car were a virus then a retrovirus is a car without an engine. And we are expected to believe that some dubious infectious agent notoriously known as HIV with half its parts missing is going to end the existence of the whole of mankind. HIV is just another harmless retrovirus, known as a passenger; amongst the thousands of others we evidently inherited, floating around like the flotsam and jetsam of our blood system. Sexual behaviour causes AIDS? Homosexuals engaging in deviant sex while consuming drugs like there was no tomorrow, unarguably yes. The non white heterosexual community, unarguably no. Abject poverty is what plaques many amongst them ill with AIDS like symptoms. Because the HIV Godzilla didn’t explode into the general public to decimate Americans as AID$ incorporated had predicted 20 years ago they had to change strategy to continue profiteering with their useless dangerous HIV drugs. So they set their artillery on Africa. “Why they have been dropping like flies over there for centuries from all manner of diseases” they drooled. All they had to do was convince Africans that HIV is the real ‘single’ culprit for all their misery. And it worked. Many though were not convinced. Principal amongst them was President Mbeki of South Africa. HIV is indubitably the mother of all scams.

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SMOKE OUT THE VARMINTS AT THE NIH

In Response to: Sexual Behaviour

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 11:41am (291 of 330)

We need to smoke out the varmints at the NIH who have been entrenced in their HIV=AIDS Foxholes for too long.

Did you know that the leaders at the NIH will not even let reporters ask them the tough questions, meaning anything that goes against HIV causing AIDS;if they try too they are barred. Does this sound like freedom of speech to you? Why do you think that most of the general public has not heard about this story before? These people have their own little world going on there and do not want us to rock it with the truth.

If the NIH is so sure of its position, which is hiding, then why do they refuse a debate by the world’s top Reappraisers scientists such as Peter Duesberg, David Rasnick, Harvey Baily, Charles Thomas, Kary Mullis and many more?

Every concerned citizen should write to one’s congress person and ask why there have not been any epidemiology studies performed by the NIH, where is the proof in writing that HIV causes AIDS and why are reporters not allowed to ask the tough questions to these people?

Too many lives are at stake here for us just to “take” their word for it. We want this to be backed up by scientific facts and not by cowards.

Demographics

Posted by: cdfleming3

Posted on: 10/29/2006 at 7:35pm (292 of 330)

What are the demographics numbers associated with the viewing of this particular show.

no1Healthy..did you notice?

In Response to: SMOKE OUT THE VARMINTS AT THE NIH

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 6:48am (293 of 330)

Some Pharmeceutical funded websites and No-Profit ones too use their so-called “EVIDENCE” to ADMIT that the Medical Journals do NOT say that “HIV is the CAUSE of AIDS” but so-called over whelming documentation lead them to this ASSUMPTION.. BEFORE this Claim Dissident Scientists and Doctors are lambasted and NOT ALLOWED to use CLASSIC Scientific Standards to evaluate the HIV Paradigm.

The Perth Group uses Bibliography and references while prominent AIDS/HIV information websites make Unfounded statements and these are accepted without question.

Anyone who dare question H.I.V. ~ M. edical D. eity is belittled as a Quack.

WHERE IS JUSTICE?

In Response to: no1Healthy..did you notice?

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 7:07am (294 of 330)

Yes, it is a sorry state of affairs when we cannot openly challenge people who are “suppose to be” our civil servants. They are more like slave drivers.

Anyone professional person who tries too is in danger of losing his or her medical license. Try and be the unfortunate patient who brings up these questions. You get no references to the facts, always “they say”, who the hell is “they”?

I think that the American people deserve a lot better than this from our health care system, maybe that’s why we are #17 in the civilized world even though we spend more money on health care than any other nation.

WAS DIANE LANE ON THE OPRAH SHOW LAST WEEK ?

Posted by: woodjan

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 8:08am (295 of 330)

The Real Face of HIV/AIDS

Posted by: hallmarktn – Numerbers are just Numbers A Face IS REAL!

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 8:22am (296 of 330)

I was attending the PanAfrica Conderence in Nashville TN when the show aired. Numeerous people were glad that Oprah did a show on AIDS/HIV. We were also in complete disbelieve by the people that were the HIV positive people that were shown. This is not the true picture of AIDS in America!!!! Where were the people that are still dying from the diesease. Where were the people that do not look like beauty queens. Where was the check for ” I stand with Magic”? These are just a few of the comment that I heard. Dr. Jordon from San Fran stated that no one on the show looked like his patients. Most thought that it looked a fashion show. This is not the true picture of AIDS. While attending the conference and hearing the people from Africa speak I came to realazation that the issues that they face in Africa are the same issues that we STILL face in The United States. There again I guess people on there death beds would not be a benefical show for Oprah.

you are right

In Response to: The Real Face of HIV/AIDS

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 8:43am (297 of 330)

If one checked out the sick and dying of AIDS you can bet that they are on the HAART or anti-viral medications which is causing heart attacks and more often liver failure from the toxicity of these drugs.

OK then What

In Response to: you are right

Posted by: hallmarktn – Numerbers are just Numbers A Face IS REAL!

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 9:19am (298 of 330)

The remarks that I am reading that are posted blow my mind away. So what should I take to keep my HIV undercontrol? If you know the answers please tell me. It is hard to life wita viral load of 612,000 { 3 years ago} Basically I was left to die. With HART my viral load is zero!!!! Seems to be doing something!!!

OOOHBOY

In Response to: 2mzvanessar

Posted by: mzvanessar

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 10:02am (299 of 330)

THANKS FO THE INFORMATION.EDUCATION IS ALWAYS THE KEY.I WANT TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN.I WANT TO BE AT PEACE WITH MYSELF AND NOT FEEL AS IF I AM A OUTCAST.OR I WILL BE ISOLATED IF I TELL SOMEONE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ME.I THINK BEING AROUND OTHER PEOPLE WITH HIV/AIDS AND HEARING THEIR STORY WILL REALLY HELP ME.

BE INFORMED

In Response to: OK then What

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 11:40am (300 of 330)

First as in anything in life, especially where a major decision is required, get educated about the subject matter. Are you aware that many highly educated scientists, HIV+’s and others do not believe that HIV causes AIDS.

So go to Google and type in AIDS Fact or Fraud Google video. It takes almost 2 hours to watch it, but you owe it to yourself because we are talking about your life here. Next go to some of the aids rethinker sites or you can go to living without hiv drugs.

Second, you will have to determine who you believe is truthful in this matter as you cannot ride the fence. This may possibly even take some time because there is a lot to grasp in this matter.

Thirdly, it you go the mainstream route, be aware that these drugs have some bad side effects which would half way be acceptable is HIV was 100% proven to cause AIDS.

Also, realize that there are many of us out here who do not take these medicines and are quite healthy. Oprah should have a of show about us us so that others can see that it is being done.

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MIRACLE DRUG – LOW DOSE NALTREXONE

In Response to: BE INFORMED

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 12:20pm (301 of 330)

There is a wonderful drug called low dose naltrexone,LDN, which is helping so many with immune deficiency diseases to include MS, Parkinsons Disease and it is stopping certain cancers it its tracks. I would highly encourage anyone with serious immune diseases to check out low dose naltrexone for the details. It is an inexpensive drug (about 25.00/month), no side effects and it works.

It is the only drug that I now take and I am in excellent health.

Living with HIV!!!!

Posted by: hallmarktn – Numerbers are just Numbers A Face IS REAL!

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 4:00pm (302 of 330)

First and foremost. I have been positive for just over 3 years. I do not appreciate anyone telling me that HIV does not cause AIDS. I am very well educated on the subject. More then most. The drugs do have side effects that I have to live with. I can stop taking them, as I was going to this summer when I could not afford to pay $1100 out of my pocket for my meds. The doctor, who has nothing to gain told me to do whatever I decided. He did say that once people go off there Anti-virals they usually do not do well. I also think that if people would use there enegry to help solve or aliminate HIV then something might get done to find a vaccine for HIV. For people that dont think that HIV exist go get some and see what it is like. It can only be spread by at least 3 ways. Unsave sex, IDU and the breast milk { from an HIV Positive person}. I have to say Thanks Be to God for the people that dont have to take medications for HIV/AIDS. But have some compassion for those of us who do and are. I would also ask people to start speaking to group of HIV positive people and tell them your secreats. I would also ask you to attend a confernece on HIV and better yet if you can do to a 3rd world country and help the people that are still dying. Hold the infant that is dying. Hug the mother that is facing death and leaving her children with on one. Maybe then compasssion will set in and people will understand what it is like living with HIV. Look in their eyes and see the pain!!!!

WE HAVE SEEN

In Response to: Living with HIV!!!!

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 4:27pm (303 of 330)

We are the HIV+’s and myself had full, blown AIDS, nearly died so I am very familiar with what AIDS is all about as I have first hand experience. Here’s the deal:

1) Hiv+ is someone who tests positive to something, what, no one knows as the test is not specific to HIV and there are over 70 things which can cause a false positive.

2) One can have the diagnosis of AIDS simply because one’s CD4’s are under 200 and this person can be extremely healthy.

3) One with full blown AIDS has the low CD4 definitions and has one of 30 AIDS defining diseases and are sick.

You do not give much information about yourself, however, I would not personally take the medications without symptoms. In my case I had several viruses so the anti-virals did help because the medicines are not just specific to HIV.

I have rebuit my health, do not take anti-virals but only one drug, LDN, as stated above, which by the way plans are underway to try to get this drug to those in poorer nations as it is inexpensive. However, you must realize that until these people have adequate nutrition, clean water, better living conditons and access to medical care, all the prescribed medicine in the world will not save them.

I would love to tell anyone my secrets as this is why I am taking the time to let people know that it is not hopeless and they can survive this and other diseases with a little work and good health habits. I do have a health site which I hope that you will visit and contact me, noreens health diner.

Best to you and to anyone out there is struggling with this or any other disease. A great place to go to read others stories is, living without hiv drugs.

why im still alive

Posted by: rubyt42

Posted on: 10/30/2006 at 10:33pm (304 of 330)

meds and a fabulous health care team. i have been hiv+ since 1990. i started taking azt, prescribed by a doctor i wasn’t comfortable with, suffered side effects severe enough to make me stop taking it then quietly resigned myself to dying alone.since then i learned that in the beginning of treating this disease people were given azt in MUCH higher doses than they are given today.also,women were prescribed doses similar to men despite obvious differences in size and metabolism, which could account for women having a harder time managing side effects. in 2000 i was in the hospital dying from PCP,with a cd4 count below 50 and a viral load upwards of a million.i decided to give meds another try.within 3 weeks my cd4 was above 200 and my viral load was undetectable and i could breathe.im still on meds.some days it sucks just to take the pills.but even in just the last 5 years the side effects have become even that much more manageable.and it beats the alternative.my 18 month old hiv negative (THANKYOU MEDS) son would agree. god bless every hiv+ person and the journey this disease paves for them. it can be a lonely scary road.if it teaches us nothing else it should be tolerence and acceptance, espescially for each other and how we choose to face this disease.

More understanding needed

Posted by: garynvegas

Posted on: 11/01/2006 at 2:06am (305 of 330)

As a person who is also HIV positive, I am glad this show is airing. It is hard for people such as myself to be accepted in society. Education helps to bring a better understanding of this disease. This show helps put a face on the people who live with this disease daily. We are no different than anyone you may know or meet. All we ask for is acceptance.

THE REAL TRUTH

Posted by: ooohboy

Posted on: 11/01/2006 at 9:57am (306 of 330)

“In the past year, there has been a noisy resurgence of claims that HIV does not cause AIDS and that AIDS is not contagious. Proponents of this view insist that AIDS is caused by personal behavior, notably drug abuse, or by the drugs used to treat AIDS.”

The users of this board have been subjected to their noise. This was the first place I had EVER heard people talk like that concerning HIV and the tests etc. ad infintim. Well I found the real truth. It answers all the questions that have been raised here and beyond. It has articles with titles like: Answering the AIDS Denialists: Is AIDS Real? – Part 1, Answering the AIDS Denialists: CD4 (T-Cell) Counts, and Viral Load – Part 2, Answering the AIDS Denialists: Viral Load and T-Cell (CD4) Counts: Why They Really Matter – Part 3, and much much more.

This information is found at the AIDS Education Global Information System web site (google aegis). On the left hand side of the page they use a “folder” menu. Select (mouse click) “Key Topics” then select “Basics” then select “Who Do I Believe”.

So now the real truth can be found concerning the denialists arguements and how to answer the denialists.

Peace, never hurt a sole, or soul.

WHO DO YOU BELIEVE

In Response to: THE REAL TRUTH

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 11/01/2006 at 10:25am (307 of 330)

Who do you believe a bunch of governmental bureaucrats or us, the HIV+’s who are doing quite well without the anit-viral medications? According to them this is not possible. Are we to believe that all of us are walking miracles?

Most of us got educated to the truth that HIV does not cause AIDS, there is no standarized test, the tests are not specific to HIV, most of the AIDS cases are in the male, drug population, the statistics do not reflect it to be a sexually, transmitted disease (CDC’s own), the medications are causing liver failure and heart attacks, plus we are living normal, healthy lives without medication.

Anyone is certainly free to believe whatever one wishes but they at least owe it to one self to check out all points of views.

The Absolute Fear of LOSING HIV..

In Response to: Living with HIV!!!!

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/01/2006 at 11:32pm (308 of 330)

hallmarktn WROTE: First and foremost. I have been positive for just over 3 years. I do not appreciate anyone telling me that HIV does not cause AIDS.

Interesting…there are a growing group of so-called HIV positives that DON’T APPRECIATE being told that HIV causes AIDS or even that they are HIV Positive..being Labeled Poz is very “ATTRACTIVE” to some but being Reffered to as a “Denialist,Dissident or Re~Thinker ” is accepted as something Evil.

as Dr Rodney Richards points out the SPIRIT of Skepticism the SPIRIT to Question has faded away..

This is X~Treme and very sad because almost everyone has been BRAINWASHED even by the FACT that HIV has Been Dubbed “the PROBABLE cause of AIDS” not the ACTUAL CAUSE.. _______________________________________

I am very well educated on the subject.

AIDS/HIV Epidemiology and the HYPOTHESIS is readily available to ANYONE.

Medical Journals,the CDC and NIH and Thousands of Pharmeceutically Funded Websites, & the Library are available to the public.

_______________________________________

More then most.

More than Gallo? More than Montagnier? “WE DID NOT PURIFY” ______________________________________

The drugs do have side effects that I have to live with.

The So-called “Side effects” are actually Illnesses or Symptoms..some Labeled and Named Under the definition of AIDS Category..No HUMAN should have to Live with these Illnesses according to the Popular Drug Disclaimers namely the “FINE PRINT”

______________________________________

I can stop taking them, as I was going to this summer when I could not afford to pay $1100 out of my pocket for my meds. The doctor, who has nothing to gain told me to do whatever I decided.

EACH INDIVIDUAL so-called HIV $pecialist or HIV Doctor have their OWN PERSONAL HYPOTHESIS outside of the Orthodox Perspective…This Causes Inconsistency and CROP CIRCLES to appear with HIV/AIDS..

______________________________________

He did say that once people go off there Anti-virals they usually do not do well.

Don’t Bet your Life on it..The FINE PRINT of the HIV DRUGS usually called MEDZ would Disagree with him..SEVERELY

______________________________________ I also think that if people would use there enegry to help solve or aliminate HIV then something might get done to find a vaccine for HIV.

The Vaccine for HIV/AIDS was Promised two Years after the “PROBABLE” Cause of AIDS was aired live fro

The Absolute Fear of LOSING HIV..

In Response to: The Absolute Fear of LOSING HIV..

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/02/2006 at 8:40am (309 of 330)

I also think that if people would use there enegry to help solve or aliminate HIV then something might get done to find a vaccine for HIV.

The Vaccine for HIV/AIDS was Promised two Years after the “PROBABLE” Cause of AIDS was aired live from a Medical Press Conference in 1984.

The Vaccine hypothesis for HIV/AIDS A.K.A. as “the Cure” is NONSPECIFIC as the so-called “Blood Test for AIDS”. ______________________________________ For people that dont think that HIV exist go get some and see what it is like.

This is Common argument among Apologists and HIV Protagonists to Prove that MARTIANS Exist..The PROOF has Never come forth.for HIV.

____________________________________ It can only be spread by at least 3 ways. Unsave sex, IDU and the breast milk { from an HIV Positive person}.

According to MAINSTREAM Theories yes..According to the ORIGINAL Culture STOLEN from Luc Montagnier by Meglamaniac Dr Robert Gallo “THEY DID NOT PURIFY” _______________________________________ I have to say Thanks Be to God for the people that dont have to take medications for HIV/AIDS.

I AGREE. ______________________________________ But have some compassion for those of us who do and are. I would also ask people to start speaking to group of HIV positive people and tell them your secreats.

The so-called UNKNOWN so-called Poz People and the WELL KNOWN so-called Poz People Not Taking the Drugs are Not Twisting their GOD GIVEN DNA in the name of the “PROBABLE” cause of AIDS. _____________________________________ I would also ask you to attend a confernece on HIV and better yet if you can do to a 3rd world country and help the people that are still dying. Hold the infant that is dying. Hug the mother that is facing death and leaving her children with on one. Maybe then compasssion will set in and people will understand what it is like living with HIV. Look in their eyes and see the pain!!!!

This is the ILLUSION the CDC and NIH has Created or Invented… again there is something ATTRACTIVE about Blaming HIV for the PROBLEMS of the WORLD..Rather than face OLD Familiar Illnesses as they are INDIVIDUALLY …HIV or NO HIV…

TO THOSE WHO WILL LISTEN

In Response to: The Absolute Fear of LOSING HIV..

Posted by: no1healthy – NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GIVE UP

Posted on: 11/02/2006 at 9:28am (310 of 330)

First, I would not place my hopes in any vaccine saving the People as AIDS is due to the health/life-style habits of the person.

Secondly, I am willing to speak to any group, tv or news reporters about “MY SECRET” as you call it. The truth is just good, health habits, so simple that it is being over-looked in lieu of anti-viral medications and now a vaccine.

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THE REAL TRUTH.. IN THE FINE PRINT

In Response to: THE REAL TRUTH

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/02/2006 at 9:13pm (311 of 330)

OOHBOY Wrote:

In the past year, there has been a noisy resurgence of claims that HIV does not cause AIDS and that AIDS is not contagious.

THE LAST YEAR? (SMILE)..OOOH YOU MEANT THE LAST 25 YEARS?..YOU WERE JUST READING SOME ANTI-QUACKERY CATHOLIC MASS WEBSITE THAT “TALKS ABOUT” CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND SQUARE EARTHMOSPHERES.. ____________________________________

Proponents of this view insist that AIDS is caused by personal behavior, notably drug abuse, or by the drugs used to treat AIDS.”

THAT IS CORRECT. AIDS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT MOVES..AIDS IS SOMETHING INVENTED BY THE CORRUPT CDC,FDA,NIH,AND WHO.

LIKE A CHILDING PLAYING WITH BUILDING BLOCKS THE CDC TOOK ‘OLD’ ILLNESSES FROM GRANMAS DAY AND RENAMED THEM. AIDS.

SOME OF THE SO-CALLED “SIDE EFFECTS”(ILLNESSES) ARE LISTED UNDER THE CDC SURVEILLANCE TOOL KNOWN AS AIDS.

____________________________________

The users of this board have been subjected to their noise.

THAT IS CORRECT.THANKS TO OPRAH AND HER MODERATORS WITH SINCERITY.

____________________________________

This was the first place I had EVER heard people talk like that concerning HIV and the tests etc. ad infintim.

THE ‘DISSIDENT PERSPECTIVE’ IS SURPRESSED IN THE MEDIA AND THE ECONOMIC POWERS OF INTERNATIONAL CHURCH OF HIV.

I WOULD DO WELL FOR AN OPRAH SHOW (SMILE AND WINK).

THE FINE PRINT CONT’D..

In Response to: THE REAL TRUTH.. IN THE FINE PRINT

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/02/2006 at 9:23pm (312 of 330)

Well I found the real truth.

A GROUP OF PEOPLE HAVE AND OPPINION ABOUT THE DISSIDENT PERSPECTIVE AND YOU CALL IT REAL TRUTH..YOU MUST OWN A SHOE HORN..

————————————–

It answers all the questions that have been raised here and beyond.

NOT EVEN ONE. “NEVER STOP QUESTIONING”..~ALBERT EINSTEIN ______________________________________

It has articles with titles like: Answering the AIDS Denialists:

I NEVER DENIED AIDS. _____________________________________

Is AIDS Real?

YES. _____________________________________

– Part 1, Answering the AIDS Denialists:

I WANT TO MEET AN AIDS DENIALIST MYSELF I WOULD SHOW THEM THAT AIDS DOES EXIST BUT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT SINCE ‘CONSTRUCTS’ DO NOT KILL. _____________________________________

CD4 (T-Cell) Counts,

I CAN ANSWER THIS ONE…HIV NEGATIVE PEOPLE CAN HAVE TCELL COUNTS AS LOW AS THE CRITERIA FOR HAVING AN AIDS DIAGNOSIS.

_____________________________________ and Viral Load –

DR KARRY MULLIS THE INVENTOR OF PCR/VIRAL LOAD AND OTHER SCIENTISTS HAVE DUBBED THIS AS A “VIRAL LOAD OF CRAP”..THE MANUFACTURER SAYS” THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO SCREEN OR DIAGNOSE HIV INFECTION”

____________________________________

THE FINE PRINT CONT’D

In Response to: THE FINE PRINT CONT’D..

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/02/2006 at 9:39pm (313 of 330)

Part 2, Answering the AIDS Denialists: Viral Load and T-Cell (CD4) Counts: Why They Really Matter

ROYALTIES FOR GALLO AND MONTAGNIER? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This information is found at the AIDS Education Global Information System web site (google aegis). On the left hand side of the page they use a “folder” menu. Select (mouse click) “Key Topics” then select “Basics” then select “Who Do I Believe”.

LOL SOUNDS LIKE MIND CONTROL AND COMMUNION…YOU SHOULD TRY THE VIRUS MYTH AUSTRALIA EXERCISE…(SMILES)

_______________________________________

So now the real truth can be found concerning the denialists arguements and how to answer the denialists.

I HATE ARGUING WITH ANYONE SO IF I MEET AN AIDS DENIALIST I WILL BE CALM KOOL AND COLLECTIVE WITH AN OPEN MIND.

_____________________________________

Peace, never hurt a sole, or soul.

LOVE WITHOUT FEAR ..SMASH THE LIE THAT AIDS IS A SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE.

AIDSAFARI by ADAM LEVINE

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/08/2006 at 6:30pm (314 of 330)

Read this book all those who doubt that AIDS is real and that drugs do not save lives of sufferers! Here in Sub Saharan Africa we are running out of place to bury our dead! Undertakers who used to bury maybe 30 people a weekend are now burying about 130! Here are some facts about HIV and AIDS: Women are more susceptible to the infection because of the way we are constructed genitally. Men are less likely to contract AIDS if they are circumcised. CONDOMS are not infallible, sometimes they tear or are not put on correctly and spill. Also they have a shelf life and become less effective after 3 months. Abstinence is the best policy but tell that to the men who own the sexuality of the women in Africa and who believe that sex with a virgin will cure you. Tell that to little girls of 9 months old who are raped by MEN with AIDS. And yes you can be HIV positive for years and not even be aware of it if you live a healthy stress free lifestyle but you can also contract HIV from someone who has not lead the same lifestyle all their lives and suddenly sicken and WHAM you have AIDS and all that stands between you and death are drugs. AIDS IS ALSO CONTRACTED THROUGH BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS and not only from sex. If you are a health worker or deal with people who are bleeding or need resuscitation it is sensible to wear gloves and/or use something to protect yourself when giving mouth to mouth. FINALLY it isn’t AIDS which kills you but the opportunistic diseases which you body can not withstand and which no drug will cure. And to the person who said speak to President Mbeki of South Africa let me just tell you that he is considered by many in this country to be guilty of genocide for his ridiculous stance and support of the Minister of Health’s stance on AIDS. Only when the women of AFRICA own their own sexuality and respect their worth will this disease end.

490317gchb

In Response to: AIDSAFARI by ADAM LEVINE

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/08/2006 at 10:57pm (315 of 330)

INTERESTING & ANNONYMOUSLY WRITTEN..almost like a DUBIOUS HIV test with a Number…

AID$ is Real…It’s NOT anything that Moves..It’s Not Contagious,It’s NOT Sexually Transmitted NOT EVEN in Africa! AID$ is a Surveillance Tool or a GRID for gay men.

Africans do not cremate their Dead? Why aren’t the so-called LIFE SAVING drugs SAVING AFRICA?

So HIV cares if a HUMAN Being has a Differnt Construct?

Orthodox AID$ Reseachers have been arguing and bickering amongst each other for years about the circumscision theory..will they ever Know?

NO ONE can CONTRACT AID$..”Constructs” are NOT Sexually transmitted and the last time I checked Neither are Surveillance tools!

Condoms are Toxic by Production and even more Toxic by lubrication..CONDOMS Do NOT protect against Virus and Bacteria and Especially Retroviruses as small as HIV can walk through the Holes of Condoms..even against pregnancy semen can seep through condoms..not EVERY condom is Tested by any standards.

THERE is Absolutely NO PROOF that ANYONE is HIV Positive.

Since there is No DEFINITIVE way to Detect HIV in HUMANS..HIV has Not Been proven to be Transmitted to HUMANS,In Body fluids,Blood,Semen,etc..blood transfusions..

Opportunistic Diseases are OLD Diseases or Illnesses renamed AIDS and are claimed to be caused by someone to be infected with HIV..

MBEKI is the Reason AFRICA is STILL ALIVE today and Not ANOTHER JIM JONES TRAGEDY REINCARNATE..nor SMON Screw up like Japan!

HIV nor AID$ is a Disease and it should be the same among women and men regardless of age,race,or any other factor.. HIV/AID$ is medical corruption…

Stop Sending Toxic and Poisonous HIV/AIDS Drugs to Africa..

Response to frstblood

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/09/2006 at 9:41am (316 of 330)

I live in South Africa and no, the africans do not believe in cremation.They also believe in polygamy and circumcision at the age of 16 under highly unsanitary conditions and many die each year or are disfigured for life. The reason so many people in South Africa are dying is because they are unable to access drugs due to our government withholding it and the numbers of men and women affected are pretty even. Highly intelligent people who have had much to lose have come out into the open about this disease and the book I quote is written by one of them. These people didn’t want to believe they could get it either and even once they had it denied it until they could no longer work and were in danger of dying. They are able to access the drug because they are wealthy enough to do so and because of that they are still alive to tell the tale and lobby for those who are being ignored by the government until they meet certain criteria when drugs will be administered and guess what they recover and their lives are prolonged by these drugs too which at least allows them to raise their children until they are a little older. This is not a GAY disease in Africa it is a disease that strikes anyone who engages in sexual activity with a partner who may or may not even know they are infected. It is having this devastating effect because the drivers of trucks are largely men who engage in sex with sex workers when they travel and then go home to their girl/wife of the moment and infect her unknowingly. Women who go to clinics are routinely checked for the signs of AIDS and where they are found to be sufferers they are treated accordingly and especially if they are breastfeeding so that they do not pass it on that way. I am no champion of DRUG companies and will rather suffer the headache than take the headache powder but I am on chronic medication for depression which is also not recognised as an illness so health care will not pay for it either. And yes it has side effects though very minimal and I have learned to live with them because if I don’t I would be dead by now. I have a chemical imbalance just as someone with diabetes has a chemical imbalance. Yet people like yourself would tell me it is all in my head and to get a life or throw away my meds. Would you say that to someone who needs insulin and could die without it. I am also an educated woman and tried the drugfree way for 17 years, it nearly cost me my marriage.

Response to firstblood Part 2

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/09/2006 at 10:06am (317 of 330)

I have little time for much of hwat is happening in America but then I don’t live there and maybe I am selling it short. How and why in God’s name would these companies or the American secret service or whoever choose to target the African population in particular? Bush is a total idiot but this started happening 20 years ago and it didn’t start only in South Africa or in the gay community. America is still incredibly homophobic so it was picked up and spun for all they could get out of it that it was a gay disease but then heterosexual men started to get it and women. There are exceptions to everything, some people recover miraculously from diseases that kill off others like flies for no obvious scientifically proven reason. What is your theory on bird flu – does science have an answer for that yet? Was there no boy in a bubble who had to be kept isolated from contact with others because he had no immune system? What about lowered immune systems in transplant patients? Scientists are no more perfect than other people but unless you have never taken any medication for any illness in your life do not risk the lives of millions of illiterate and simple people in my country whose lives could be prolonged by the antiretrovirals so that children would have parents to care for them. Rather safe than sorry in this case.

Response to Africa 490317

In Response to: Response to frstblood

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/09/2006 at 12:54pm (318 of 330)

Thanks for your Reply..Dialouge on this issue is Ignored by so many CORPORATE AID$ Researchers and the HIV Establishment.

Actually the Reason People are Dying in Africa is the “Key Word” you used “UNSANITARY CONDITIONS” and Old Diseases that PREDATE the AIDS Era..Begging For Toxic DNA Chain Terminators,Toxic Chemo Therapy Drugs such as AZT and Poisonous Protease Inhibitors is Non Specific to ANY Viral Attack on Humans these Drugs are CLAIMED to Save Lives when ultimately the Fine Print says the Exact Opposite.. These so called Life Saving Drugs DESTROY Not only Virus but healthy cells REQUIRED by the HUMAN Immune System leading to Deformaties and Death.

I said In My Previous post there is No PROOF that ANYONE has “It” if you are refeferring to a Retrovirus HIV..or the Construct known as AIDS.

HIV is Neither a “Gay Disease” “African Disease” or A Disease at all..The African and USA HIV/AIDS Criteria are Xtreme in error..Ratios and Statistics are so hyped up in the International Media..

according to PAST Mainstream Predictions in the late 80’s Africa should be extinct to date.. is this True?

Side effects(Iatrogenocide) may not show FOR EVERYONE and may not happen right away but you can bet your life they DESTROY your organs and everything you are..all in the name of “the PROBABLE Cause Of AIDS”.

I suggest you read the story of the African American woman from Tennesee Joyce Ann Hartford who was Quote by CNN news “Killed By HIV Therapy”

I am Not telling you to do anything except QUESTION AUTHORITY,QUESTION HIV,QUESTION AID$,QUESTION OPRAH,QUESTION Everything you have been told and Believe to be True because thousands of People are rising to the notion that HIV does Not Cause Anything..

Second Response to Africa 490317

In Response to: Response to firstblood Part 2

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/09/2006 at 1:19pm (319 of 330)

You ASKED: How and why in God’s name would these companies or the American secret service or whoever choose to target the African population in particular?

Good Question is it Perhaps that Blacks arent Welcome? Gay men aren’t Welcome?

You have to go back to when it all started with meglamaniac Dr Robert Gallo who STOLE the ORIGINAL Culture from French Doctor Luc Montagnier LAV/HLTVIII was the result of a International Lawsuit with the French and USA.. President Reagan issued a 200 Million Dollar Settlement and BOTH Gallo and Montagnier Share the Royalities..

Montagnier Claimed that “WE DID NOT PURIFY” and even so the name HIV was Born.. Gallo called a MEDIA PRESS Conference and claimed to have found the PROBABLE cause Of AIDS…Dr Gallo has Been up for Scientific Misconduct twice.

This Massive Cover up is found in a Mainstream HIV/AIDS Journalist John Crewdson Science Fictions also JUST RECENTLY the NY Times Just Reposted a 1992 Article on the Misconduct of the Discoverer of HIV and AIDS…

I don’t believe HIV has ever KILLED anyone or caused anything to happen to Anyone…The AID$ Establishment Murdered over 300.000 Gay Men in the early 1980’s with a Cancer drug AZT..And to date over 25 Million people who have taken a DUBIOUS HIV Antibody test are told they have HIV when the TESTS are NON Specific and DO NOT DETECT HIV in HUMANS..even if HIV were True …the Scientific Fact remains Retroviruses have No “KILLING mechanisms…

According to Some Experts Bird Flu is Hype…Tamiflu the drug used against the so called $camdemic was Produced BEFORE the Bug…12 cases in the world and we are all suppose to run for our lives?

Should we ALL Live in a Plastic Bubble?

The answer is Yes according to Mainstream HIV/AIDS Hypothesis..we should all be laying in cemetaries and crematoriums…

Anti-retroviral is a Misnomer because Retroviruses are Not Cell Killing Viruses or else they commit suicide..

So Called Anti Retrovirals are NUCLEAR in a Human Being wiping out literally everything.

Retroviruses CANNOT be BOTH Cell Killers and “Slow Viruses” which one is correct? also HIV is said to Deplete Tcells but then they say HIV grows in Tcells which one is Correct?

You may Google My Blog if you wish.. “TOMAS BLOG” yahoo 360..

Good Luck to you I certainly wish you well

TOMAS BLOG

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/10/2006 at 10:49am (320 of 330)

Hi, I just want to say that my anonymity is due to the House rules here and for no other reasons. I have read what I can on your blog Tomas as well as Rosies Diner . I stick with the facts that I know and wish to add that there has been huge controversy in our country and still is. You ask why the population of Africa has remained the same or increased. The answer is that the African people greatest ability is in procreation so whilst millions are dying every day in Africa even more are being born. It is why there is such poverty and famine here amongst other things. Mr Mbeki and future presidents will never catch up with the backlogs in housing and education and healthcare as the people here breed faster than anywhere else with the exception of China. Their culture here is very different from that in America and many are living by choice with one foot in the third world and one in the first. Has colonisation here caused this? Well obviously yes but it is not entirely to blame. The fact remains that white people here one of them a Constituional court judge who has AIDS started to die from diseases related to this fact. As did Adam Levine, both were gay. They both tried to do without the AZTS and drugs because they KNEW about the side effects and the fact is that they eventually had to concede they were dying anyway so they started to take what was given to them since they saw that there was certainly nothing to lose. Whilst they have had side effects and been seriously ill at times they have been able to resume their former lives and their lives have been extended. Adam had to change drugs several times due to becoming worse rather than better however he is alive after his doctor gave him no hope some three or four years ago of making it until the year end. The Judge too is still alive and WELL & continues to practise. I am sure they have made changes to their lifestyles because they have had no choice but I am equally sure that the drugs they take are what is actually keeping them alive. In our black communities their are people who are educated and illiterate and both are dying at the same rate despite their different living standards. the age group most affected is the most economically productive and sexually active group and there are more heterosexuals dying than homosexuals and genders are pretty much the same number.

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TOMAS BLOG PART 2

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/10/2006 at 11:11am (321 of 330)

What makes me so MAD about your and the dissidents posts is that any data including yours can have inconsistencies but by perpetuating these beliefs of yours you are confusing people who are only one generation away from being illiterate and who are withholding the drugs which might prolong the lives of those who are sick and might be helped by them. If what you postulate is true then all of them will die sooner rather than later and what then does it matter. THEY ARE DEAD. I am telling you that we have started giving these drugs to people who were dying and are now well enough to resume their previous lives even if in a less stressful environment and having been educated about the necessity of proper nutrition. How is it that the ratio here is higher in women and don’t talk to me about CONSTRUCTS etc. I would like to know from you too what 1. makes you so positive about this, 2. Are you a Scientist yourself, 3. Are you a Scientologist or a Jehovah’s Witness? 4. Were you the passive partner in a gay relationship or bisexual? 5. Do you think I am a racist or bigoted against gay people?

I would love to believe that this is not a sexually transmitted disease or that it is all some big conspiracy theory since I have a gay son whom I adore and many of his gay friends as well as two other sons who are straight but unmarried. If the CDC or FBI or whoever is doing this how are they infecting all these people who are dying in both my and your country because their immune system has been compromised. Shall we start a new thread and say our bodies have become resistant to penicillin and antibiotics because of overdispensation and incorrect usage? The majority of people dying in Africa didn’t have the exposure to those things. We are living with a ticking timebomb here because millions of children are orphaned and have no adult to teach them right from wrong and all because MR Mbeki and the MOH who is called Dr Beetroot refused drugs to their parents

490317 AFRICA

In Response to: TOMAS BLOG PART 2

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/10/2006 at 9:38pm (322 of 330)

I was Wondering since you Responded to my Blog here at Oprah.com May I have your Permission to add Your LAST Post to me directly about my Blog and Other IMPORTANT comments that will forever remain Historical to the section “The Historical record” at my Blog(s)?

Sincerely Tomás

Add it by all means

In Response to: 490317 AFRICA

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/11/2006 at 5:03am (323 of 330)

I have nothing against your adding it to your blog. I didn’t respond on your blog since I am not registered to do so and you had given me the directions to get there. If you are gay please know that I adore my gay son and have never had a problem with him being gay. I worry about his lifestyle to some degree however he is not a fool and his relationships tend to last for years unlike my straight sons. If you have AIDS symptoms or are ill, the choices you make are yours alone regarding medicines. We will all die of something one day even with the medications available to us as the body is still a mystery in the process of evolving. Right now we have added to our problems here in South Africa a new strain of Extreme multi drug resistant Tuberculosis which has resulted in the same population group largely not completing their treatment with the result that all the previous drug regimes are now ineffective since the disease has learnt and mutated so they are ineffective. Many of the population group affected are from the remote rural areas and were ignorant that one could receive vaccination at birth for your child so these people are more prone and then take it back to their communities. As a farmers daughter I know how superstitious they were when my parents had the TB vans come around and check them and vaccinate them or take them to TB CLinics where they could be treated under proper clinical conditions and receive the full length of treatment so that they would then be immune but many of them would run away and go back home because the cure was worse than the prevention might hae been. Judge Edwin Cameron who is the Constitutional Court Judge has also written a book on his illness talks of how he would walk up the stairs to his office until the day where he found two steps were too many and then only did he agree to be treated. My son knows both these people though he is much younger. Adam led a very wild lifestyle, but Cameron did not, he acquired his illness from someone who didn’t tell him and subsequently died. One wrong partner and two brilliant men who are white live with the consequences every day. I believe the gay community have become much more careful here in my country at least and homosexuality is despised by the Arican population here and lesbians and gay men in their community are killed and raped by homophobic community members who then go home and sleep with their girlfriends unprotected.

Stop Blaming a Retrovirus for Terrorism..

In Response to: Add it by all means

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/11/2006 at 7:42am (324 of 330)

490317 in Africa,

The Reason that I didn’t give a Long refuted Rebuttal is because im not Really here to debate..im here to Question to get answers that No one from the Oprah.com staff,Magic Johnson,other Dissidents, and of Course Layman(HIV Apologists) have NOT answered.

Im Not Questioning if the Sky is Blue or the Earth is Round and God knows that Nazi’s exist.

Through all of the HUGE Gaping holes and the mountain of Unanswered questions the great HIV Myth has only been excused away and these holes still remain..

I am a Gay man and now an HIV Dissident I spent 6 years of my life as a so-called HIV Patient waiting to die. I have NEVER been sick with anything related to or defined as HIV/AIDS. My Yahoo Blog Represents Thousands of Doctors,Scientists,Chiropractors,Nurses,Mathemeticians,Virologists,Biologists,Heterosexuals,Gay,Lesbian,Bi-sexual,Transgender,African,European,Asian,German,Indian,American(The Melting Pot)Canadian,People Labeled and Defined as Poz and Neg,People Labeled and Diagnosed with AIDS(PWA)..

I am Not alone.

I am Glad to see that you sit on the fence with the Dissident Perspective because FEAR is what confines us and TRUTH is what sets us free.. I Believe your Open Mind with Love and acceptance of your Son and perhaps your family will Ultimately open your eyes..

I will Indeed Add an Account of your Very Words to My Blog so the World can See that while I am ACCUSED of Denial..the TRUTH will Prevail.

Before I uttered the words ‘I am a Dissident” I climbed to the top of the fence and sat there a long time and it was “safe” there..I questioned Both the Dissidents and My So called HIV Specialists..The Dissidents sent me to the the Correct information,The Dissidents often called Denialists showed me that There is another Side of AIDS..it was up to me to see who the REAL denialists were..to date My so-called HIV Specialists have never answered why after 6 years I had to retest?,why if there is no cure did I test Indeterminate?,why if HIV is So Lethal I am Not Dead or even Sick?,Why if HIV Infects EVERYONE in the Entire world among the Sexes ONLY why is HIV a MALE RETROVIRUS? Why is HIV in Africa Defined Differently than in India,Canada,and the USA?

Why is a Theory Based on a Scientist from the U.S.A. who has Been up for Scientific Misconduct (Twice) accepted as Fact by People like you?

Is it Truly the “FEAR of LOSING HIV”?

Is it a Cultic Belief System that we have been Hyptonized to believe?

Si

Retroviral Terrorism

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/11/2006 at 7:58am (325 of 330)

Since I have Found ABSOLUTELY NO Evidence that claim that these Popular AIDS/HIV/GRID/LAV/HLTVIII Drugs “Save Lives” “Prolong Lives” “Help Lives” “Or Keep People Living” I have a COMPLETE Binder of these Drug Ads which Explain Complete Horror…

Human Deformaties,Compromised Immune Systems,BONE MARROW Depletion,(Immune Deficiency)

I See Words in capiatal letters such as ‘SEVERE” “LIFE THREATENING” and “FATAL” and DEATH.

None of these Illnesses are Defined By Any Governmnet in the world as HIV Illnesses but they are Demoted by AID$ Researchers as “MILD SIDE Effects”.

Some of these Illnesses or Side Effects are Defined under the “Surveillance Tool” called AIDS.

AIDS by Prescription”

..the FACTS are Ignored by so many People NOT willing to even Remotely open their eyes to these Facts.

I can’t believe I was subjected to this Iatrogenic Poisoning all in the name of the PROBABLE cause of AIDS..

MBEKI is Africa’s Hope!

Sending these Nuclear Drugs to Africa will be the Death of Africa or anyone who dare “Get tested”.

Hepatitis C carries same stigma

Posted by: pssalazar

Posted on: 11/11/2006 at 9:26pm (326 of 330)

12 years ago I was diagnosed with Hepatitis C and felt that it was a death sentence. My husband was also diagnosed at the same time. As far as we can tell my husband contracted it from a blood transfusion 35 years ago and I contracted it from him. We have faced scrutiny from family, doctors, coworkers and friends. Our son’s girlfriend at the time of the diagnosis was forced to break up with him by her family. The disease is usually contracted by blood or sexual contact. My husband and I both went through treatment and luckily for me it worked. My husband wasn’t as lucky and still struggles with it. I could really relate to what the people were saying about HIV and the stigma. You get to the point that you don’t want to tell anyone.

Stigma’s, illness and death

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/12/2006 at 7:23am (327 of 330)

I have a mental illness called Depression, not manic just depression. For 17 years I denied this reality and put my family through hell. Doctors would diagnose me across their desks and prescribe medications which I would go home and take and I did feel better so I decided that I was fine. I would be fine for a while and then it would come back because I hated paying for something for an illness that I had had no definitive tests for. After 17 years of this I finally collapsed completely and spent 4 months of my life in hospital being tested, detoxed and then taught how with the correct medication for a chemical imbalance which they had now been able to show me on paper as well as techniques on how to deal with the severe anxiety attacks I had developed as well as the depression I suffered from I got my life back. The crunch is that whenever you apply for a job or for full medical cover or life insurance there is this question “Do you or have you ever suffered from a mental illness?” I have lied to get work and done it perfectly adequately however sooner or later it is discovered and suddenly I am seen as unstable and not able to perform under pressure and life is made so unbearable that I end up resigning. I know about stigmas so I talk about it. I tell people I have a gay son and am unashamed – its just his sexuality after all that I am now aware of, nothing else about him as changed. The bottom line is that there are people who are on drugs for whatever yu wish to call it who were dying and are now able to live a normal life without side effects. These people include people I’m sure Mbeki would like to see the back of as well as his own people who consitute the majority. In my country it is a disease of the poor who put up with the most appalling conditions and have no access to health care other than that provided by the govt. The politicians including Mbeki and Dr Beetroot go to the Private Health Care facilities which are so expensive that many of us can not afford whilst denyhing their own people the right to choose whether they are entitled to drugs which might save their lives. I have sometimes wondered if Mbeki is not just taking a passive line here so that these people will die and reduce the backlog in housing etc which he has promised but not delivered. The African people most affected will tell you that the essential services which they require such as Health Care, Education and Security have deteriorated since Mbeki came to power.

Africa is a complex continent as is AIDS

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/12/2006 at 7:56am (328 of 330)

Come to Africa and see the cemeteries. Talk to those who are HIV positive and have been and wear this proudly on their chests on T-shirts and campaign for the AZT and drugs they require to keep them well on an almost daily basis. Come and see the AIDS babies being cared for by their grandmothers and older siblings who haven’t got legal access to even grants to feed their sick and starving siblings and grandchildren while Mbeki is everywhere else but facing the problem personally in his own country, getting onto the UN and the AU. ANC politicians are taking whole plane loads of their supporters to Dubai on shopping expeditions and when caught out get excused on the basis that they were there on national business whilst it is patently obvious that they were using their own peoples taxes for a shopping trip. Yet other politicians misuse their travel agents to fly family membvers and supporters on those same tax dollars and when they get caught all they get is a petty fine and a slap on the wrist and pay back the money they spent. HIV positive or negative status and AIDS may or may not be linked but the immune systems of these people are weakened by something and in my country knowing the sexual customs and practices of the majority certainly seems to point the finger in that direction. I wish it was otherwise because it is so cruel to think that the very means of procreation are what is killing so many adults and leaving hordes of helpless uneducated children roaming the streets, commiting crimes like robbery and murder just to survive. When those methods fail they sell their bodies which leads to sexually transmitted diseases by whatever name you wish to call them which lead to lowered immune resistance and then these old opportunistic diseases which kill. By any name it is DEATH and these people should have the right to choose for themselves whether they can have these drugs, not the politicians or the scientists etc. Cancer patients can refuse chemo and radiation if they feel it will be the death of them why shouldn’t these sick people have the same right? Auto immune deficiency related diseases kill these people and those who have heeded the call to practise safer sexual methods are not being infectd whilst living under identical conditions. I will drink out of the same cup as you, I will kiss you, but I will NOT have unprotected sex or exchange body fluids with you if I know you engage in unsafe sexual practices with multiple partners.

HIV/AIDS costs?

Posted by: oigens

Posted on: 11/12/2006 at 11:05am (329 of 330)

What’s wrong with this picture? There are, according to specious extrapolation of phony statistics, some 25 million Africans with the phantom HIV. It is estimated that it costs $25,000 US per person per year for medication and care. That turns out to be approximately $625 Billions of US dollars per year just for Africa. World Wide it’s claimed to be a Trillion dollars. That’s just for one year. Apparently those who were supposed to have died from the terror 20 years ago are still living with or without the supposed HIV medication and are now apparently surviving up to 24 years…….. 24 trillions of US dollars for life time care and the toll is climbing by the day according to all those so called AIDS experts. And all for a retrovirus that has never been really proven to cause anything in such a manner that makes any sense let alone the end of mankind. These figures even makes the likes of a Bill Gates, the richest person in the world, and his ilk cringe. Does anyone seriously believe that this expenditure will ever come about when there are many orders of magnitude more people dying of heart disease and cancer with orders of magnitude less expenditure devoted to finding cures for these real afflictions. This should signal anyone with a modicum of common sense that there is something seriously wrong with this whole HIV/AIDS fiasco.

So Tired

Posted by: bwiley44

Posted on: 11/13/2006 at 6:09pm (330 of 330)

I am so tired of Aids, Black men, Black women, and the African American community talking about Aids, Hiv, family, love, respect, etc., etc. I don’t know why, as a Black community, we are so afraid to give responsiblity to the Black man. While he continues to eliminate basic human responsibility toward his family, toward his community, and toward his children. Why, in our community, we are so afraid to challenge men? Why are we so afraid to challenge them without hiding behind the fault of the woman. Magic Johnson, is the most ignorant MF, I have seen on t.v. It appears to me, that he took no responsiblity for his behavior toward Cookie and his family. I have my theory on what happened, but I am not going there. It is unimportant to my point. He continue to put the responsiblity back on Cookie’s lap,what she did and did not take from him. LIKE HE WAS A 3 YEAR OLD CHILD, HIDING BEHIND HIS MOTHER’S SKIRT. In the past, AIDs was considered a gay white man disease. Well, gay white men began to take responsiblity for their actions, for their sexuality, for their families, and for their children. And decreased the number of new cases. Women who are getting AIDS are married, have long term boyfriends, are older women who want a relationship and want a partner. Women are human, and want a relationship. In my experience, I have not had many sexual experiences, I have no children, and I am not presently dating anyone. However, the Black man needs to stop hiding behind his woman, behind his children, and stop acting like a spoiled child. I don’t care if he is bi, gay, or sleeping with men and still does not considered himself gay. Fine. Who gives a da**m!!! Just protect yourself, and protect your family. I cannot believe that a piece of a man’s a*** is so important that you would risked infecting your wife, your children and your community.I remember, I use to debate with my brother, and I was being sacastic and stated that you are so lucky. You are a black male, in in our community you can do anything, you can take a s***t in the the middle of the road, and entire black community would do anything to cover it up. I was joking, of course, but my brother commented very seriously, and stated,”that is the problem with black men,our community seems to be afraid to challenge his wrongs.” Then I realized the effect such behaviors hinders everyone, our women, our men, our children, just everyone.

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We couldn’t resist adding our own little homily:

get the message

Posted by: tgenie

Posted on: 11/14/2006 at 4:14am (331 of 331)

Seems too many people cannot get the message, just like Oprah – -HIV is not the cause of AIDS, although this sounds impossible, and the world thinks it is. But the scientific papers on AIDS show it does not cause AIDS, as many posts here claim, because it is not infectious, and a stack of other reasons.

I know this because New AIDS Review shows all this in post after post, including one on this Oprah show. The medical literature does not prove that HIV causes AIDS, but proves that it does not.

These are familiar causes of illness being relabeled as AIDS caused by HIV, which causes nothing much. If there is no illness, HIV will do nothing – then it is the drugs which make you ill.

Anyone who believes HIV is deadly and going round the world causing millions to grow ill should read New AIDS Review and the other blogs and sites of the people like Darin Brown who have posted here.

Then they should write to Oprah and tell her to read it too. Or her producers, at least.

Otherwise, good luck believing in a false belief.

UPDATE Sat 18 Nov:

get the message

Posted by: tgenie

Posted on: 11/14/2006 at 4:14am (331 of 336)

Seems too many people cannot get the message, just like Oprah – -HIV is not the cause of AIDS, although this sounds impossible, and the world thinks it is. But the scientific papers on AIDS show it does not cause AIDS, as many posts here claim, because it is not infectious, and a stack of other reasons.

I know this because New AIDS Review shows all this in post after post, including one on this Oprah show. The medical literature does not prove that HIV causes AIDS, but proves that it does not.

These are familiar causes of illness being relabeled as AIDS caused by HIV, which causes nothing much. If there is no illness, HIV will do nothing – then it is the drugs which make you ill.

Anyone who believes HIV is deadly and going round the world causing millions to grow ill should read New AIDS Review and the other blogs and sites of the people like Darin Brown who have posted here.

Then they should write to Oprah and tell her to read it too. Or her producers, at least.

Otherwise, good luck believing in a false belief.

So why are there more people dying?

In Response to: get the message

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/14/2006 at 5:24am (332 of 336)

Why are these old illnesses killing more people than ever before then and all those who are dying have compromised immune sytems. Why are the rest of them recovering from these same old illnesses who are living under the same conditions using standard medications like antibiotics? These millions of deaths strike rich and poor, black and white. gay and straight, all of whom have different lifestyles and die from old diease because of immune compromised sytems which do not respond to standard medications. Why is it that someone who becomes ill and is found to have this immune compromised illness and accepts and takes the drugs you decry is able to recover with some lifestyle changes and continue living for years when they were dying before, and their cell counts improve. The HIV – AIDS issue may have some validity since some people do live for years without knowing their status and appear healthy but they do develop full blown AIDS or compromised immune sytems eventually and are then as susceptible as any of the other people living with compromised systems but taking these poisonous drugs with undeniable side effects and still alive long after they should have died of either the old diseases or AZTs which you claim is what is actually killing them. Oprah has been to South Africa and seen our cemeteries and our people and talked to the proponents and the opponents of AIDS drugs. Possibly she has read the books by Edwin Cameron, our white and wealthy Constitutional Court Judge as well as Adm Levine, a wild living but white and wealthyish man of 34 who should be dead but has been able to publish a book based on his suffering and is now living a relatively normal and somewhat chastened life thanks to the drugs which brought him back from certain death. As with any disease the patient should have the right to knowledge and the right to at least try to prolong his life through use of the meds. You are living in denial if you think that it can’t happen to you and until it does you are free to believe what you choose, but this is an acquired disease and all the indicators point to it being acquired through sexual means or bodily fluid exchanges or various kinds.

We need less drugss

In Response to: Medicine today

Posted by: kyinaz

Posted on: 11/14/2006 at 4:47pm (333 of 336)

People who have it need drugs. In the past, patients who did not have access to today’s cocktail died much sooner. THIS is evidence that we are moving forward in the fight of this terrible disease.

In the past, AIDS patients had access to 1600 mg of AZT and yes, they died much sooner. Current dosage of AZT never exceeds 300mg because its lethal at higher doses, like most other chemotherapies.

If this is what you call progress, then the ignorance regarding HIV will continue ruin lives.

Denial and Dillusional acceptance..

In Response to: We need less drugss

Posted by: firstblood

Posted on: 11/15/2006 at 7:18am (334 of 336)

Kyinaz, Sometimes there comes a “POINT” when you simply walk away from the Annonymous and the Head Strong.

The Fear of Letting go of the HIV Myth is more Frightening to accept for some people..their Brains are not receptors to the Facts..and IGNORED.

These People simply run around with Conspiracy theories in Mind and believe that Toxic AID$/HIV drugs “Prolong Lives” or “Save People” when the Drug Disclaimers tell the Complete Opposite.

People Have access to these Disclaimers to read for themselves and just like Galileo who offered Proof that the Earth is Round the Scientific/Religious Quacks simply IGNORED Galileo and excommunicated him Instead..it was easier for them to JUST Accept that the Earth was Flat and in doing so they did not deny their faith..They IGNORED the Evidence.

HIV Dissidents are Considered ‘Flat earthers” but we turn to the AID$ Industries and Pharma’s own Research to Prove that the Earth is Round and HIV/AIDS Drugs are Nothing more than Poison by Prescription..and the Real Flat earthers remain in Denial.

HIV has Never Been CLAIMED to cause Most of the so-called Side effects by these TOXIC DRUGS according to the AID$ Establishment and It’s No secret that the World AIDS Conference in 2001 DECLARED that the LEADING cause of Death in HIV/AIDS Patients is LIVER FAILURE..HIV Does Not Cause Liver Failure.. But The Drugs MOST certainly do.

there are pdf files for every drug claimed to be for HIV Infection and there are also pdf files for every HIV Test Kit Disclaimer that are Claimed to “Diagnose” the so-called Deadly Virus and these disclaimers show no proof for Being Specific that many people are blaming HIV…

Coincidentally if a Million Toyotas break down world wide do we blame HIV?

No.

Toyotas

Posted by: 490317gchb – Volatile

Posted on: 11/15/2006 at 10:34am (335 of 336)

Comparing Toyotas to people is totally specious since toyotas are machines made by people.If a million toyotas broke down world wide they would stop selling them and recall the ones they had sold because they would have identified why. You are quoting the 2001 conference. At the 2006 conference the dissidents were booed and reviled by anyone who has had the brains to see the results of AIDS and the results of the drugs which are modified when they have severe side effects which are life threatening. Chemo for Cancer is also poisonous and has to be to kill the cancer cells. Along the way the sufferers are not misled by the doctors as to the possible side effects and there is a limit placed on how much toxicity they can stand and other meds given to counter some of the side effects. The same applies here. Oncologists can not promise to cure you of cancer by your going through this but they might give you an extension and better quality of life. The AIDs related deaths are caused by an immune compromised body which could be you or me or the beggar on the corner who has no shelter or sanitary living or correct nutrition. The drugs administered do improve the person with that condition’s life and prolong it and yes there are side effects but they die from the related disease and not the AZT’s or whichever drugs they are being treated on and they are monitored and educated as to the changes that will be necessary in their lives. If you were a 20 year old mother with 3 kids aged 6 3 and 1 and got sickk and were diagnosed with an impaired immune system and told that the disease will not respond to ordinary meds and you are about to die unless you are given a regimen including AZT which might help you to live longer and it does even though you still feel awful from the side effects I’d like to see you turn down the chance to care for your children as long as possible.

Personally I think you dissidents are the ones with a hidden agenda and conspiracy theories who want to see people die. If Nancy Padian would like to we have plenty of dead bodies here which she can come and study and see how many of them died of liver failure brought on by AZT exclusively.

new face of aids

Posted by: lovelylati

Posted on: 11/18/2006 at 3:56pm (336 of 336)

I was glad to see that Magic Johnson is doing well. I wish that were was more conversation about hiv/aids w/in this nation as well as in the home which is not occurring w.in my household. I am 37yo latina woman who is HIV+ and my family, maining my mother does not want discuss or is afriad to talk about nor tell her man whom she is living w/for the past 10 yrs. I fell that my father and mother failed me in informing me about sex and what they went throw when coming to this country in the 1950’s and 60’s, inthat time they did not talk about anything and now I fell that nothing has changed. I fell that is what needs to occur w/in this households the conversation about history and sex and not freedful of what people are going to think and say about u which I lived w/for about 10yrs.

lovelylatina34

9 Responses to “Magic takes his meds, updates Oprah”

  1. Dan Says:

    AIDS is a belief system. Oprah is a believer. Quite unfortunate that she wields such enormous influence.

  2. nohivmeds Says:

    Incredibly well told, TS. Horrifying. Your “Note to Ophrah,” in particular, feels right on.

  3. YossariansGhostbuster Says:

    TS,

    What specifically are your charges against Oprah ?

    Then, again if one accepts the NAR position, these comments by
    Shaft 459 erstwhile known as Darin Brown (resident math genius
    on AIDS wiki, co-donor father of Mom is Positive) are made by he in the Oprah comment section:

    “HIV+ don’t mean a damn thing. It don’t mean you are sick, it don’t mean you are gonna get sick.

    The question is, Are you sick or not?

    Magic is not sick. That’s because he doesn’t take any of the toxic, dangerous, poison pimped by the pharmaceutical companies. He was NEVER sick. ”

    So where does mathematical Darin get his science expertise and his skillful personal Magic health history information and why would anyone with a brain accept any of his Oprah site comments ?

  4. Truthseeker Says:

    Incredibly well told, TS. Horrifying. Your “Note to Oprah,” in particular, feels right on.

    Thanks much NHM.

    What specifically are your charges against Oprah ?

    That she is too professionally bound up in swallowing claims whole – the style of her highly successful show – to have retained even the sense she was born with, and realize that even large institutions cannot always be trusted, and that having been suckered by James Frey, she might retain her smarts long enough to wonder how the heck two and two makes ten, even if the NIH says it is so. So of course Magic is not sick, unless he is taking his meds, which he is reluctant to do, Cookie told us, and may even not do so very often, and keep it private. Quite honestly, one waits for the moment when his spirit rebels and a dim realization that he has been conned rises to the surface. He is after all a professional athlete.

    The usefulness of her show was precisely to bring out the fairy tale quality of this paradigm, since it details the specific consequences of the claim, and shows how insane the social extrapolations rapidly become. Since you don’t get to be queen of the talk shows for two decades without being emotionally very smart, it is odd that she doesn’t put two and two together and make the correct number, four.

    So where does mathematical Darin get his science expertise and his skillful personal Magic health history information and why would anyone with a brain accept any of his Oprah site comments ?

    Sorry YGB, I have not read the message board since it had disappeared by the time I got around to writing this number, although I notice there is a link on Barnesworld to some selections. Sounds as if Darin Brown was quite reasonably saying that the HIV is an effectively inert and inconsequential retrovirus, which anyone intelligent has known since Duesberg wrote his original Cancer Research paper, there being absolutely no evidence at all in the other direction before or since.

    But perhaps you haven’t noticed this, since you may have become entangled in the trees down the mountainside where the mediocre minds lay traps for the unwary. Climb, YGB, to the top of the mountain to get a clear view of the forest, and the mists of doubt and confusion will vanish in the warm sun of wisdom.

    Or much more exciting, perhaps you know of such unprecedented evidence and are sitting on it. In that case we beg you to stop wasting time inventing new monikers and tell us what it is. You could transform the whole debate.

  5. YossariansGhostbuster Says:

    The message board on Oprah hasn’t disappeared, TS: Check here:

    NBA Legend Magic Johnson and The New Faces of AIDS in America

    So you and Darin Brown are proclaiming that donated blood from volunteers need not be tested for HIV ?

  6. Truthseeker Says:

    YG, thanks. Let’s put that link in the post.

    So you and Darin Brown are proclaiming that donated blood from volunteers need not be tested for HIV ?

    Cannot answer for Darin Brown, but we are surprised you ask us this question. Perhaps you have been too busy writing charmingly witty comments to read the blog, but yes, given that the literature both critical and mainstream indicates that HIV is a warm puppy that won’t bite anyone, we think that testing blood for it merely conveys public money into the pockets of Robert Gallo without achieving anything whatsoever for the public good.

    What was it exactly that make you think otherwise? Do you have some reason for supposing that HIV does something chemically, biologically, and/or supernaturally that is relevant to the health of any human being, other than trigger an army of scientists to spend their careers milking the NIH of funds to research the position of every electron in its makeup?

    By the way, are you also terrified of bird flu or did you take in hand our advice to lay in a small stock of Vitamin A, which according to the literature is enough to stop TNF and bird flu dead in its tracks, reducing it to mere flu?

    Where is the bird flu panic, anyway? Is it wired or tired?

  7. noreen martin Says:

    Speaking of blood, where was the news coverage when Dr. Willner inoculated himself with the blood of Pedro Tocino, an HIV positive hemophiliac in Spain? Wonder why the 3 October 1993 London Times headline of “African Aids a myth” and also “The Plague that Never Was”, not make any headlines in the United States. We all know the answer to this!

  8. Jose Says:

    It should be noted that “Regan” is none other than Regan Hofmann, the editor-in-chief of POZ magazine. No, that major attributive fact was not mentioned once on that episode of Oprah.

  9. Truthseeker Says:

    The Comments before and after the show on Oprah’s message boards have been added to the Post at the bottom. There are 331 Comments so far after the show.

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